Re: [gaia] Blog on AFRINIC proposal

Thanks for the reference Vint.
For what I read in their website https://jigsaw.google.com
There are no proposals to strengthen crossborder links or circumventing shutdowns.
Any specific pointer?

On June 3, 2017 5:12:53 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> wrote:
>finding ways about an attempted shutdown is a good idea - see also
>JIGSAW
>at Alphabet.
>
>vint
>
>
>On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Nicolas Pace <nico@libre.ws> wrote:
>
>> Agreed... We still have to deal (as a global community) with the
>urgency
>> of governments controlling traffic shutting down connectivity. Would
>be
>> interesting to be able to share an approach that, in a short or long
>> timespan, we could walk to find solutions to this situations.
>> One could be cross boarder links, or border IXPs... But I'm not that
>> versed in these things to give an opinion
>>
>>
>> On June 3, 2017 4:57:05 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
>wrote:
>>>
>>> the problem with this proposal is that it enters a slippery slope
>>> regarding use of the Internet by a party that is responsible for
>>> connectivity and not content. While the intent is laudable, it would
>lead
>>> to the same kinds of messes that ICANN is discovering as a result of
>the
>>> semantics associated with domain names. Before any RIR adopts such a
>>> proposal, I think there should be some discussion among all the RIRs
>- and,
>>> frankly, I hope that such efforts as this would be rejected as an
>overshoot
>>> of authority.
>>>
>>> vint
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Nicolas Pace <nico@libre.ws> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Vint for sharing your point of view.
>>>> If I may give my two cents, through advocacy is that, in the summit
>here
>>>> in nayrobi the community all together wrote the proposal.
>>>>
>>>> There needs to be stronger efforts to make internet less
>>>> country-dependant and more resilient... But these are urgent
>matters. While
>>>> we get to that resilient future, we need to support our communities
>on
>>>> their decisions regarding their own problematics.
>>>>
>>>> I understand that IP address may seem to be a technical thing, but
>>>> governments are hijacking them into a political standpoint.
>>>>
>>>> Instead of making this a specific action, I would suggest that we
>could
>>>> work out a regulation that requires IP tenants not to shutdown
>connectivity
>>>> as a condition to receive their ranges... Or some sort of agreement
>on
>>>> openness.
>>>>
>>>> Could it be possible, and would it be useful to tackle this issue?
>What
>>>> do you think?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On June 3, 2017 4:41:04 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I implied it: advocacy
>>>>>
>>>>> v
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Nicolas Pace <nico@libre.ws>
>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What would be your approach on this matter then? I'm curious to
>know
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On June 3, 2017 4:36:36 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My reaction: politicizing IP address allocation is a mistake and
>>>>>>> could have enormous, negative consequences including a wide
>range of
>>>>>>> fragmentation and legal intimidation of the RIRs.  Advocacy is
>fine but
>>>>>>> withholding IP addresses for political reasons is not wise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> v
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 5:16 AM, Corinne Cath
><corinnecath@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CFR invited me to write a blog about the recent AFRINIC
>proposal to
>>>>>>>> deny IP addresses to governments mandating Internet shutdowns.
>Might be of
>>>>>>>> interest.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.cfr.org/article/should-technical-actors-play-pol
>>>>>>>> itical-role-internet-age
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Corinne J.N. Cath
>>>>>>>> Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing
>Institute
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Web: www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cath
>>>>>>>> Email: ccath@turing.ac.uk & corinnecath@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> Twitter: @C_Cath
>>>>>>>>
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