Re: [gaia] Fwd: RE: Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments

Hi, Mitar,

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: gaia [mailto:gaia-bounces@irtf.org] En nombre de Mitar
> Enviado el: domingo, 17 de abril de 2016 8:20
> Para: future@systemli.org
> CC: gaia <gaia@irtf.org>
> Asunto: Re: [gaia] Fwd: RE: Review required:
draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-
> deployments
> 
> Hi!
> 
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 6:20 AM,  <future@systemli.org> wrote:
> >> Those are mostly overlay networks
> >
> > If this answers your question:
> > GNUnet, Maidsafe, Net2o can all set on UDP:
> >
> > http://www.grothoff.org/christian/mapping2014.pdf, page 34
> > https://github.com/maidsafe/MaidSafe-Transport
> > http://fossil.net2o.de/net2o/doc/trunk/wiki/topology.md
> >
> > In addition GNUnet can set on WLAN and Bluetooth.
> > So what is missing for the others is just the right module beneath.
> > It is a question of time that they get it and that at least one of
> > these newcomers constitute community wireless networks, whereas GNUnet
> > is closest, and will again, afaik participate at the Battlemesh this
year.
> 
> OK, let me rephrase my question: there is no currently existing direct
non-testped
> deployment on dedicated infrastructure for these protocols (so that there
would be
> for example routers running those protocols)?
> Any real network one can use are currently still overlay networks?
> 
> So the question is: while this is still in process, there is still no
party which would
> decide to use it "in production", directly, no?
> 
> What is this document's editorial policy on including promising to-be
technologies
> and approaches? Should we maybe have a section to speculate and provide
some
> links (we could also mention DTN there)?

Currently the draft only covers tested and deployed technologies.

I don't think we should speculate about the future, just build a
classification of what already exists (it is my opinion).

> 
> > Actually they all do, as long as you don't mean layer 0 - hardware.
> > But that might come along when the time has come.
> 
> I meant hardware, yes.
> 
> >> Some other similar projects (to my knowledge):
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cjdns
> >
> > Cjdns provides end-2-end-encryption and there are communities using it.
> > As long as not configured (using Tor) it provides no protection of
metadata.
> >
> >> https://ipfs.io/
> >
> > Provides no end-to-end-encryption nor metadata-protection.
> > Maybe useful on top of an Internet that delivers the above requirements.
> 
> Yes, it is interesting how different projects are picking different
trade-offs. It will be
> really interesting to see which ones will take off.
> 
> 
> Mitar
> 
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Best regards,

Jose