Re: [gaia] Blog on AFRINIC proposal
Arjuna Sathiaseelan <arjuna.sathiaseelan@cl.cam.ac.uk> Sun, 04 June 2017 17:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [gaia] Blog on AFRINIC proposal
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+1.. Probably the only option for encountering this is to have alternative methods of access (e.g. the firechat during the hongkong protests) - so that the govts know that there is no point shutting down networks.. decentralisation is a form of resiliency.. arjuna On 4 June 2017 at 16:43, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 03, 2017 at 05:09:51PM +0300, Nicolas Pace wrote: >> One could be cross boarder links, or border IXPs... But I'm not that versed in these things to give an opinion >> > > A government sufficiently motivated to "shut down the Internet" will > shut down those links and IXPs too, unless they are of sufficient > density and number that the government can't go after them all. The > "numbers" problem is actually _part_ of the problem. (This is also, > of course, why increased concentration in "tier 1" transit providers > is dangerous for the Internet.) > > But the more basic problem with the proposal as presented is that it > is attempting a tech fix to a social problem. Governments who > intervene in this way have decided that access to the Internet by > (some subset of their) citizens is less valuable to them than control > over communications. This pattern is the same whether it is shutdowns > by any government anywhere, or (in my opinion) less catastrophic but > more corrisive attacks such as overall weakening of cryptographic > algorithms or the hoarding of network-effective vulnerabilities. > > The answer to all of that is to continue to make the Internet ever > more valuable both in its own terms and in social terms. We want to > create the conditions in which, when governments say they're going to > "shut down" the Internet, they look absurd because they're going to do > most damage to themselves. I want it to be as the scene in _Blazing > Saddles_: "Nobody move or the prisoner* gets it!" That's not > advocacy, of course. It's instead, "Everything over IP." Still a > good slogan. > > Best regards, > > A > > * note: not the actual word in the scene. > > -- > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@anvilwalrusden.com > > _______________________________________________ > gaia mailing list > gaia@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia -- Arjuna Sathiaseelan Personal: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/ N4D Lab: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/n4d
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