Re: [gaia] Internet censorship and blockade in Catalonia (Spain) in the recent weeks and today

[Arjuna Sathiaseelan <[e-mail]>]

Great thanks.

Better to have any further political debates done offlist imho.

Thanks.
Regards

On 1 Oct 2017 13:35, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> I’m sorry, but this is not true. Ignoring part of the info, and spreading
> only partial histories, don’t make them true, actually is a way to CENSOR.
>
> I’m Catalonian and my view of the true is different. I’ve also seen some
> of the Court Orders, so I know what I’m speaking about.
>
> You’re also mistranslating *military police* from *guardia civil*, which
> is a totally different concept. Guardia Civil is the police that supports
> citizens in the small towns, take care of traffic in roads, and also many
> investigations related to cybercrime, among others. An explanation is here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Guard_(Spain)
>
> Also, http://www.guardiacivil.es/en/institucional/Conocenos/
> idcorporativa/naturalezami/index.html
>
> Our Constitution doesn’t allow to split the country, neither a referendum
> about that obviously. You can find consensus with all the parties, as they
> have been talking about for years, to amend the Constitution, but not to
> disobey the law. Otherwise, all the citizens will have the same right to
> ignore laws.
>
> So, isn’t the Spanish Government, but the Constitutional Court that has
> dictated that this process is illegal and can’t take place and took
> measures, such as blocking ONLY web sites duplicating the illegal
> information about the process. The same as if terrorist or thief’s, decide
> to create web sites to do apology of illegal acts, they will be banned, as
> well as every new copy.
>
> I’m all for freedom of speech, but never going against the law in a
> democratic country.
>
> I’ve several cases myself against the Spanish Government, and one of them
> already for 15 years. Should I disobey the law and jump over? NO, despite
> how much I believe I’m right (as many other people affected by this case),
> I need to wait, even if this takes other 15 years.
>
> If we allow, IN ANY *DEMOCRATIC* COUNTRY in the world, to jump over laws,
> we don’t have democracy anymore. I want also to split my home and the land
> where it is constructed from the country. Is that right?
>
> So, in consequence, anyone doing illegal acts, such as preparing the
> illegal referendum, will need to be prosecuted, pay the fines, etc.,
> OTHERWHISE, the rest of the citizens will have the SAME rights, to bypass
> even traffic fines.
>
> I’ve described the situation in a couple of articles:
>
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20170926_catalonian_matter_
> law_order_democracy_freedom_of_speech_censorship/
>
> https://jordipalet.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/isoc-against-
> its-own-principles-acting.html
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: gaia <[e-mail]> en nombre de Leandro Navarro <
> [e-mail]>
> Responder a: <[e-mail]>
> Fecha: domingo, 1 de octubre de 2017, 13:50
> Para: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
> Asunto: [gaia] Internet censorship and blockade in Catalonia (Spain) in
> the recent weeks and today
>
>     Dear all,
>
>     You may have heard that today the 1-O referendum in Catalonia is
>     ongoing. 73% of electoral offices were open this morning despite the
>     blockade from prosecutors, judges and the charges from police forces.
>     There are very long queues to vote.
>
>     Meanwhile the "guardia civil", a military police, together with the
> riot
>      police, have entered in large groups to some of the electoral offices
>     (especially those where high profile politicians were expected) to
> seize
>      the ballot boxes and papers. As a result of the police charges to
>     peaceful people, tenths of people have suffered injuries (you can find
>     in the media sad images in the election offices).
>
>     As a result of a long list of measures and countermeasures to avoid the
>     referendum (many orders from public prosecutors, only recently from a
>     judge, budget blockade to public payments of many kind), the Catalan
>     government has declared this morning the "universal census" so people
>     can move and vote in alternative offices if his own is blocked (as the
>     validation of voters is done over the Internet). Civil society have
>     found ways to spread the message and enable voting that were not
>     possible many years ago.
>
>     Voting is slow and painful but is progressing. There are many network
>     attacks, the police has disconnected Internet access and wifi APs to
>     schools to block the election offices, and many sites to collect and
> coordinate the process. The Internet is fragmented in Catalonia. Hundreds
> of web sites from public but
>     also civil-society organizations have been seized or blocked. A few
> days
>      ago, the tech responsible of the .cat TLD was literally taken from him
>     home while showering and detained for 3 days with no formal accusation.
>     As a result, the .cat TLD and many .cat sites have been blocked. Some
> people that
>     replicated web sites where detained and forced (by a judge + police) to
>     give their passwords for, not only the sites, but also their personal
>     email and personal accounts in social media.  Citizens and electoral
>     offices are using new imaginative and decentralized means to deliver
>     votes and manage the census (using VPNs abroad, Tor, IPFS, etc) to
>     certify the process.
>
>     This repression and human rights violations against a peaceful
> movement,
>      to block the political expression of a large group of
>     citizens against political problems, cannot be justified as being
>     declared "illegal" respect to a given rule of law (the Spanish
>     constitution defined 42 years ago, never reformed). Let's see what
> political solutions we can find now, after years of
>     political fights, and a weekend of repressive police actions against so
>     many citizens willing to express their political opinions. Probably it
>     will not be easier than before.
>
>     In my opinion, the human right for expression goes before the defense
> of
>      a given rule of law. Political negotiation and reforms are the way,
> and not
>     censorship, police charges and repression.
>
>     Certainly the Internet makes a difference in this process, for those
>     inside and outside. Among many other sad examples around the world,
>     let's learn and apply our lessons to build a more resilient and open
> Internet for
>     everyone.
>
>     Kind regards, Leandro.
>     --
>     Leandro Navarro
>     http://people.ac.upc.edu/leandro     http://dsg.ac.upc.edu
>
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