Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments-02
"Jose Saldana" <jsaldana@unizar.es> Tue, 15 December 2015 10:38 UTC
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Hi, I also prefer alternative for two reasons: - I think the word fits better with the networks we had in mind while writing the draft: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/gaia/current/msg00984.html. And IMHO, alternative is not the same as complementary. - A more practical reason: today is the deadline established by Mat in order to initiate IRSG review of the document. So if we rethink the title (and probably the whole document), we may lose a lot of time. I must confess this may sound too practical, but we already discussed a lot about the name to be applied to these networks. See e.g. these threads: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/gaia/current/msg00227.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/gaia/current/msg00187.html Thanks a lot! Jose De: Andrés Arcia-Moret [mailto:andres.arcia@gmail.com] Enviado el: lunes, 14 de diciembre de 2015 14:51 Para: Javier Simó <javier.simo@urjc.es> CC: jsaldana <jsaldana@unizar.es>; gaia@irtf.org Asunto: Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments-02 Dear all, I second Javier, voting "alternative". I think weve all agreed on the name alternative networks because it (mainly) matches an independent willingness of communities to get connected.. Cheers, Andrés On 14 Dec 2015, at 09:48, Javier Simó <javier.simo@urjc.es <mailto:javier.simo@urjc.es> > wrote: Hello I don't like the word "complementary" for two reasons: 1) Something is complementary when there is no competition. But, why not? I don't see why a community network cannot be deployed even if it is somehow in competition with a "traditional" existing network deployed by an operator. 2) The word "alternative" was used focusing on a number of criteria, not only on the non-existance of a traditional network. I vote "alternative". Best regards Javier El 12/12/15 a las 17:03, jsaldana escribió: Hi, Arjuna and all, In my opinion, in order to clarify if "Alternative network" = "Complementary network", we should answer two questions: A) Are all "Alternative networks" also "Complementary networks"? In the draft we are considering five kinds of networks: 1 Community Networks 2 Wireless Internet Service Providers WISPs 3 Shared infrastructure model 4 Crowdshared approaches, led by the people and third party stakeholders 5 Testbeds for research purposes In the case of 4, it is clear that they are a "complement," since they share the infrastructure and may reduce the CAPEX of the operator. In the case of 1, they may become a "complement". Is this currently happening? I don't think that WISPs (2) usually share their infrastructure with traditional operators. Am I right? B) Are all "Complementary networks" also "Alternative networks"? I think for example in the Wi-Fi network of an airport. This network can be considered as "complementary", because it may be used to offload data from the mobile network. But it is not "alternative" (it is not included in the draft), because it may be promoted by a traditional operator (not by the people), etc. Any other ideas? Thanks, Jose El 2015-12-12 13:45, Arjuna Sathiaseelan escribió: Thanks Mat. I have been recently discussing with Roger from Guifi about whether community networks should be termed as Alternative Networks or should it be called Complimentary Networks considering that community networks could end up sharing infrastructure with network operators who could see this as a great opportunity to access the last mile without a CAPEX. So is Alternative Networks the right terminology or should we have Complimentary Networks? Regards On 1 December 2015 at 16:28, Mat Ford <ford@isoc.org <mailto:ford@isoc.org> > wrote: Folks, I think its time we tried to conclude our work on draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments. Jose detailed the changes in the most recent update when he announced the update to the list, so I wont repeat those here. I have not seen any further discussion. If you have any concerns or further comments regarding the content of this document, please raise them on this mailing list by Tuesday December 15th. I hope to initiate IRSG review of the document immediately thereafter. Thanks, Mat _______________________________________________ gaia mailing list gaia@irtf.org <mailto:gaia@irtf.org> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia -- Arjuna Sathiaseelan Personal: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/ <http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/%7Eas2330/> N4D Lab: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/n4d <http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/%7Eas2330/n4d> _______________________________________________ gaia mailing list gaia@irtf.org <mailto:gaia@irtf.org> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia _______________________________________________ gaia mailing list gaia@irtf.org <mailto:gaia@irtf.org> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia -- --------------------------------------------------- Fco. Javier Simó Reigadas <mailto:javier.simo@urjc.es> <javier.simo@urjc.es> Subdirector de Ord. 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- [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-… Mat Ford
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Steven G. Huter
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Arjuna Sathiaseelan
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… jsaldana
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Jane Coffin
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Jane Coffin
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Javier Simó
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Andrés Arcia-Moret
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Souma B. Wanta
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Nicolás Echániz
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Nicolás Echániz
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] RG Last Call: draft-irtf-gaia-alternat… Jose Saldana