Re: [gaia] [Stackevo-discuss] 5G: It's the Network, Stupid

Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com> Thu, 17 December 2015 17:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: [gaia] [Stackevo-discuss] 5G: It's the Network, Stupid
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I strongly support the concept of network slicing for Applications or IoT networks. 
But it is not realistic to expect operators networks to take control requests from individual users/handsets. There has to be an authenticated application controller that makes requests/commands to the sliced network. 

My two cents. 

Linda 

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Subject: Re: [Stackevo-discuss] [gaia] 5G: It's the Network, Stupid

E2E security in 5G can be addressed through network slicing, another concept which seems to be included in many 5G proposals. If each application has its own slice, it can screw up but wont be able to affect other applications. Within each slice, E2E security can be enforced in an application specific manner. Even better would be if we can make each flow be its own slice. This may seem to be overly heavyweight, but is along the lines of what Bromium  is trying to do for desktops, isolating processes and data from each other using
"microvisors": http://www.bromium.com/why-bromium/how-we-do-it.html We just need to do it for networks :)

nishanth
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On 17 Dec 2015, at 7:56, Jon Crowcroft wrote:

> Great article...one thing about the 4g..5g evolution is increasing
> cooperation in forwarding and relaying signal, bits, packets (shared 
> cell
> tower/base station/antennae across provider). So direct,mesh,adhoc 
> stop
> just being edge notions, but are all first class part of the 
> architecture
> ("don't fear the edge"). There is huge tension between this trend, and 
> e2e
> security....I have not seen anyone address how to resolve that 
> tension...
> On 16 Dec 2015 6:42 pm, "Dirk Kutscher" <Dirk.Kutscher@neclab.eu> 
> wrote:
>
>> [apologies for cross-posting]
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have written up a few thoughts on current discussions around 5G and
>> network evolution. I might publish this as paper later, but wanted to 
>> get
>> it out early and ask for comments – so would be grateful for any 
>> feedback.
>> It’s not very polished and slightly long, but hopefully 
>> understandable
>> enough. Take it as a “position paper” for now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Abstract:
>>
>> Current 5G network discussion are often focusing on providing more
>> comprehensive and integrated orchestration and management functions 
>> in
>> order to improve “end-to-end” managebility and programmability, 
>> derived
>> from NGMN and similar requirements. While these are important 
>> challenges,
>> this memo takes the perspective that in order to arrive at a more 
>> powerful
>> network, it is important to understand the pain points and the 
>> reasons for
>> certain design choices of today’s networks. Understanding the 
>> drivers for
>> traffic management systems, middleboxes, CDNs and other 
>> application-layer
>> overlays should be taken as a basis for analyzing 5G uses cases and 
>> their
>> requirements. In this memo, I am making the point that many of 
>> today’s
>> business needs and the ambitious 5G use cases do call for a more 
>> powerful
>> data forwarding plane, taking ICN as an example. Features of such a
>> forwarding plane would include better support for heterogeneous 
>> networks
>> (access networks and whole network deployments), multi-path 
>> communication,
>> in-network storage and implementation of operator policies. This 
>> would help
>> to avoid overlay silos and finally simplify network management.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://dirk-kutscher.info/posts/5g-its-the-network-stupid/
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dirk
>>
>>
>>
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