Re: [gaia] research vs business questions, the integral approach

Paola Di Maio <> Mon, 01 February 2016 04:19 UTC

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Paul, Yahel

Thanks for replies.

Not sure about, but surely  aquisitions would be announced?

The initial issue was that people advised me to go to AJ as they were
devoted to community broadband, but then both Jim and Mickely clarified
that they are now only operating as a commercial company, however their
mission is pretty much to bring
internet to rural areas, just for profit rather than not for profit.
I have no problem either way.
The other issue was that at the time when I fired the request(s) the
network was not yet up to reach out my location, due to limited  capability
to expand - but I made it clear that I am making available extra capability
as required as part of my reserach
(buy an extra dish or something)
a few things seem have changed since as two more locations have been added.
although an AJ network is up in the location I am at at the moment, it
doesnt work yet, and the reseller cannot explain why, so I asked AJ. But no

> ,
> I fail to understand what you ask, or what's the research question you
> wish to explore?

I have not yet pinned it out yet,  hence the q to this forum

It does feel like you might be asking this community of researchers -- "why
> does AirJaldi not answering me?"On that front, I could only say that I know
> the AirJaldi team quite well and it's quite extreme that theydon't answer
> someone - I can only guess why that might be.
No, I am asking this community of research:

Has anyone else experienced a network provider a) no explaining why the
network does not deliver the service and b) if the answer is 'because we do
not yet have enough technical or equipment capability (which is my guess)
not want to partner
with an affiliated organisation who can help to build this capability
through their programme (this is one of the projects I work on)

I prefer not to guess as what the motives are for service/communication
failure and since I know the AJ team well also personally, via this list
and through meetings for the purpose, I cannot possibly figure out what is
going on.

But since you are /were AJ founder/ shareholder,  perhaps you have a better
Care to share insights?



On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 10:41 PM, Paola Di Maio <>
> wrote:
>> Happy New Year Everyone at IRTF!!
>> I think I have seen threads on this list, discussing the complex socio
>> technical relations between policy, business and internet technology.
>> I am  posting a note on a case study I am plannig to write up,  hoping
>> that someone can help me to understand what is happening.
>> My organisation,, has been operating collaboratively with
>> individual researchers and institutions in different countries for
>> some years. One the one hand we do advanced systems research (socio
>> technical systems , modelling,, brain computer interfaces etc) and
>> some paid work when it comes up, on the other hand we run community
>> ICT programmes, generally workshops, facilitiating learning, reusing
>> computers etc. on a totally pro bono basis.
>> The work that requires a stable connection is generally done in
>> developed countries or cities, other work in very rural and remote
>> areas. where unfortunately the internet infrastructure is often not
>> up.
>> Two years ago approximately not sure how, we were invited to join
>> IRTF/Gaia as its members initiatives could synergise with our efforts,
>> in particular the setting up the wifi
>> Via this list  I was connected with Jim and MIckey of Airjaldi who
>> serve one of the regions we work in.
>> Now while we are still waiting for a viable broadband provision in
>> some of our project locations (because they are not served by the
>> providers), in some others it looks like Airjaldi has started putting
>> up network, although the Jaldihotspot icon comes up in the network in
>> range, nobody afaik is able to use it yet.
>> Are these reasons technical, or business reasons, I do not know,
>> Advancing the provision of rural bandwidth in our region (so that we can
>> start the research programme) is part of the mission.
>> I have funding to purchase any necessary extra equipment tp improve
>> the current technical capability, or extend the range (currently
>> network not only appears not to work b ut is also available only in a
>> small spot) to set up legal entities, and collaborate with number of
>> private enterprises who could act as partners, NGOs, institutions etc.
>> to work with as required
>> I have not yet fleshed out the research questions as such, but from an
>> integral research perspective, the fact that the main provider in the
>> region is not responding to emails and offers of purchasing equipment
>> if necessary - ,for me is a research issue
>> When I go to foundations such as DEF (Digital Empowerment Foundation)
>> for advice, they say that I should talk to Airjaldi, but Airjaldi
>> doesnt talk to me, and does not tell me why they dont talk to me.
>> Is anyone else working on similar research, or facing similar seemingly
>> problems?  Would this come under denial of service?
>> I simply do not understand what is going on
>> Thanks for any help in framing this issue
>> PDM
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