Re: [gaia] [irsg] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments

Mat Ford <ford@isoc.org> Mon, 01 February 2016 12:27 UTC

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From: Mat Ford <ford@isoc.org>
To: Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org>, "draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments@ietf.org" <draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [gaia] [irsg] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments
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Thanks very much for the detailed review Niels, it is valuable.

Authors - please discuss how you would like to address these comments and let Niels and myself know. If there is a need for further discussion, please let’s keep that on gaia@irtf.org.

Mat

> On 30 Jan 2016, at 23:35, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Please find my review of
> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments-03.txt
> below. This is my first IRSG review, so please bear with me.
> 
> I mostly followed https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5743#section-2.2
> and academic review practices, but please let me know where I might have
> misstepped.
> 
> I hope this is useful.
> 
> 0.
> The topic of the draft is very relevant and timely and brings together
> many different angles that are needed to address the multidisciplinary
> nature of access, the Internet, and community owned networks.
> 
> 1.
> The issue of the digital divide is approached from a 'development
> studies' paradigm (e.g. developing countries), quite some scientific
> literature has been published about this topic. Most current literature
> acknowledges that for instance term 'developing country' is problematic
> because it assumes that all countries are on a similar trajectory, from
> 'underdeveloped' to 'western'. Empirical data shows that this is not the
> case. More accurate would be to address differential developmental
> trajectories by referring to the Global North vs. the Global South, or
> using other frames.
> 
> Also terms like 'Digital Divide', 'Data Revolution', 'Information
> Society' as well as the 'WSIS process' have been dissected, discussed
> and interpreted in quite a variety of ways. it might be good to engage
> with the literature on this if you would like to use these terms, and
> if so, refer to the relevant sources.
> 
> Same is true for the method or model of knowledge transfer that is
> mentioned in the draft. At several places it is implied that knowledge
> travels from North to South and from Urban to Rural, which might be a
> one dimensional way of representing a quite multifaceted process of
> technology appropriation and development.
> 
> In terms of methodology: you are clearly coming at this problem from a
> multidisciplinary approach. Which is great, considering the
> multidisciplinary nature of the Internet and the problem you are
> addressing. However, if you do decide to use concepts from different
> fields and disciplines (like for instance urban and rural from urban
> planning, demand and provision from economics or the digital divide from
> sociology) it is important to make this explicit. I would suggest adding
> a sub-section in which you explain how you built your multidisciplinary
> research method and why you use the concepts you applied.
> 
> 2.
> There is a lot of doubling between abstract and introduction. I
> recommend reducing the abstract.
> 
> 3.
> The discussion under point 1. and 2. is maybe not necessary for
> achieving the goal of providing a a taxonomy of alternative network
> deployments. However, Maybe the first part could be shorter.
> 
> 4.
> It could perhaps be interesting to provide some additional information
> on actual alternative network deployments, perhaps by providing some
> case studies and, on the basis of these, a set of best practices /
> recommendations for specific situations.
> 
> In the attached file more inline editorial comments and suggestions are
> provided.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Niels
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Niels ten Oever
> Head of Digital
> 
> Article 19
> www.article19.org
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> On 01/14/2016 12:39 PM, Mat Ford wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> The GAIA RG has successfully concluded an RG Last Call for the document
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments/
>> 
>> As document shepherd I’m now looking for someone from the IRSG to review the document. Any volunteers?
>> 
>> If no one volunteers, Lisandro Granville is top of the list: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/IRSGReviewLog
>> 
>> Mat
>> 
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