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Re: [gaia] [Stackevo-discuss] 5G: It's the Network, Stupid

Dirk Kutscher <Dirk.Kutscher@neclab.eu> Thu, 17 December 2015 10:53 UTC

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To: Michael Welzl <michawe@ifi.uio.no>
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Subject: Re: [gaia] [Stackevo-discuss] 5G: It's the Network, Stupid
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Hi,

Let's continue the discussion on one list only -- otherwise we are flooding too many mailboxes.

I have tried to set Reply-To to icnrg@irtf.org -- let's just use that.

(If you intend to reply, consider subscribing to the list first...)

Thanks,
Dirk

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Welzl [mailto:michawe@ifi.uio.no]
> Sent: Donnerstag, 17. Dezember 2015 11:19
> To: Dirk Kutscher
> Cc: icnrg@irtf.org; gaia; stackevo-discuss@iab.org; marnew@iab.org; Jon
> Crowcroft; 5gangip@ietf.org; dtn-interest@irtf.org
> Subject: Re: [gaia] [Stackevo-discuss] 5G: It's the Network, Stupid
> 
> 
> > On 17 Dec 2015, at 11:10, Dirk Kutscher <Dirk.Kutscher@neclab.eu> wrote:
> >
> >>> Regarding security, unless we want to introduce "trusted middleboxes",
> >>
> >> Why not?
> >
> > No e2e security.
> >
> > That may be OK for some use cases, like IoT or home GWs, but could be less
> convincing for accessing public network services -- for example, if you extend
> the network with multiple hops of device-to-device communication, data mules
> etc.
> 
> Hm.... just because you trust them to do certain tasks for you doesn't mean you
> trust them with everything?  We trust routers to forward our data and can even
> set the DSCP for them  (in theory - yes i know the rtcweb/DSCP story and DART)
> 
> And you can still have e.g. e2e encryption and e2e authentication on top, right?
> So what is the real trust problem here?

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