Re: [gaia] Basic Free Internet Access

Rute Sofia <> Mon, 07 December 2015 11:30 UTC

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Hello Arjuna,

in Portugal, most households rely on an AP with the usual public SSID 
(OpenSpark/FON model). This happens because the operator NOS 
automatically installs that model in every household they cover. It is 
impressive here, as in 2010 this implied something like 500k hotspots. 
In Lisbon, we are doing some studies showing that in average a person 
seems to cross 1000 APs in a roaming path that lasts around 15 hours , 
with very short distances (max of 12km).

Moreover, between 2010-2013 in a project named ULOOP 
( we did some studies in Europe 
(France, Italy, Spain, Portugal) where the issue was actually regional: 
some countries have strict regulator restrictions for the use of this 
kind of community networking (Italy, for instance). It is worth to take 
a look at this, so the URL for that study is (deliverable D2.2):


On 12/05/2015 08:55 PM, Henning Schulzrinne wrote:
> In the US, there is in effect a (near*) nationwide Wi-Fi network, at 
> least in urban areas, through CableWiFi. There has been discussion 
> about "open in case of emergency" modes so that non-cable customers 
> could access the APs. See, for example,
> * not all cable companies participate
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Arjuna Sathiaseelan 
> < 
> <>> wrote:
>     All -
>     With all the disasters thats been happening these days --
>     including the recent one at Chennai -- people are trying to get
>     connected to the Internet. We are now talking to groups in Chennai
>     to put up an adhoc mesh to get some connectivity etc - Power is a
>     major problem. But those with the power are now trying to open up
>     their own WiFi for others to share..But the biggest issue is we
>     are all doing this after the disaster strikes and not proactively!
>     This makes me think, shouldnt governments create some sort of an
>     emergency network for such events for people to communicate? So
>     like FON, if governments can work with operators and use the
>     existing home access points to open up during emergencies - so
>     that people can access for FREE in proper isolation without
>     interfering with the sharer - wouldnt this be useful? Ofcourse if
>     there is no infrastructure or power then nothing happens or people
>     have to use firechat/opengarden if they have already installed..
>     this was the idea behind the Public Access WiFi Service (PAWS)
>     project we did here in Cambridge few years ago
>     (
>     <> this wasnt
>     greatly successful because we didnt target the disaster usecase --
>     but now thinking if such a system indeed existed - this maybe
>     worthwhile including the syrian refugee crisis and the refugees
>     wanting to connect and no money/credit cards/no credit rating etc..
>     This solely is not enough - but I think this could also be an
>     enabler especially when there are national emergencies..
>     So the idea is enable all WiFi access points to open up by default
>     controlled by the operators with the governments subsidising the
>     connectivity during national emergencies. We could probably even
>     mesh these access points but I think we would end up needing some
>     long range antennas.
>      we could probably do some fancy things like
>     <> but lets leave
>     that for the moment..
>     Regards
>     -- 
>     Arjuna Sathiaseelan
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Melhores Cumprimentos/Best Regards/mit freundlichen Gruessen,
Rute Sofia
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