Re: [gaia] Blog on AFRINIC proposal

[Alejandro Acosta <[e-mail]>]

Hello,

  In my small and personal experience the people who ask for shutting
down networks don't mind (not even a little) the economical impact (hard
to believe & sad to say it but unfortunately it's the truth).

Alejandro,


El 4/6/17 a las 10:56 a.m., Vint Cerf escribió:
> one answer is to try to quantify the economic (and reputational?)
> impact of shutdown so that leaders who choose to adopt this action
> have a better appreciation of the costs.
>
> v
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Corinne Cath <[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>     Great discussion! And I agree with much of what has been said. But
>     that still leaves us with the open question of what the response
>     of AFRINIC should be to shutdowns. I agree this proposal was
>     problematic (as I point out in the blog), but am interested to
>     hear what advocacy, support, and solidarity by AFRINIC
>     could/should look like in the case of Internet shutdowns.
>
>     Best, 
>
>     On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Jon Crowcroft
>     <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>     wrote:
>
>         /
>         /
>         the problem with witholding a resource as a lever to try to
>         reduce censorship 
>         (witholding of access to the net) is that its 
>         a) an implicitly negative message to counter a negative message, 
>         which takes the risk of accusations of hypocrisy
>         b) it risks collective punishment 
>         i.e. hurts victims of governments' misguided policy,  
>         as well as government agency, which is over-reach
>         c) the proposal is the opposite of basic internet philosophy,
>         as per Gilmore :
>         /"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."/
>         which means that the proposal risks undermining citizen/peer
>         actions 
>
>         intentions are good, but advocacy, support, solidarity seems
>         like a better road
>         /
>         /
>
>         On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Nicolas Pace <[e-mail]
>         <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>             Thanks Vint for sharing your point of view.
>             If I may give my two cents, through advocacy is that, in
>             the summit here in nayrobi the community all together
>             wrote the proposal.
>
>             There needs to be stronger efforts to make internet less
>             country-dependant and more resilient... But these are
>             urgent matters. While we get to that resilient future, we
>             need to support our communities on their decisions
>             regarding their own problematics.
>
>             I understand that IP address may seem to be a technical
>             thing, but governments are hijacking them into a political
>             standpoint.
>
>             Instead of making this a specific action, I would suggest
>             that we could work out a regulation that requires IP
>             tenants not to shutdown connectivity as a condition to
>             receive their ranges... Or some sort of agreement on openness.
>
>             Could it be possible, and would it be useful to tackle
>             this issue? What do you think?
>
>
>             On June 3, 2017 4:41:04 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf
>             <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>                 I implied it: advocacy 
>
>                 v
>
>
>                 On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Nicolas Pace
>                 <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>                     What would be your approach on this matter then?
>                     I'm curious to know
>
>
>                     On June 3, 2017 4:36:36 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf
>                     <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>                         My reaction: politicizing IP address
>                         allocation is a mistake and could have
>                         enormous, negative consequences including a
>                         wide range of fragmentation and legal
>                         intimidation of the RIRs.  Advocacy is fine
>                         but withholding IP addresses for political
>                         reasons is not wise.
>
>                         v
>
>
>                         On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 5:16 AM, Corinne Cath
>                         <[e-mail]
>                         <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>                             Dear all,
>
>                             CFR invited me to write a blog about the
>                             recent AFRINIC proposal to deny IP
>                             addresses to governments mandating
>                             Internet shutdowns. Might be of interest. 
>
>                             https://www.cfr.org/article/should-technical-actors-play-political-role-internet-age
>                             <https://www.cfr.org/article/should-technical-actors-play-political-role-internet-age>
>
>                             Best, 
>
>                             -- 
>                             Corinne J.N. Cath
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>                             & Alan Turing Institute
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