Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-04

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Thu, 10 September 2020 00:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum-04
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Hello, Pete,

Thanks a lot for your feedback! In-line....

On 9/9/20 16:39, Pete Resnick via Datatracker wrote:
[....]
> Major issues: None
> draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-slaac-renum
> Minor issues:
> 
> The shepherd writeup says:
> 
>     The document so far has been approved by the V6OPS working group
>     (successful working group last call). The document does not specify
>     new protocol, but rather changes to the default parameters in
>     existing protocols.
> 
> However, the document is Informational, as confirmed by the shepherd writeup.
> If this is actually updating default parameters in protocols, that sounds like
> it should either be a Standards Track document or more likely a BCP. As 2026
> says:
> 
>     The BCP subseries of the RFC series is designed to be a way to
>     standardize practices and the results of community deliberations. [...]
> 
>     ...[G]ood user
>     service requires that the operators and administrators of the
>     Internet follow some common guidelines for policies and operations.
>     While these guidelines are generally different in scope and style
>     from protocol standards, their establishment needs a similar process
>     for consensus building.
> 
> That sounds like what this is doing, especially with all of the 2119 language
> in here. Maybe this is Informational because 7084 (and 6204 before it) were
> Informational, but perhaps 7084 (and other such document) should be BCP as
> well. Indeed, it sounds like all of these SLAAC operational documents could be
> in one BCP together. 

FWIW, the reason for which this document is informational is because the 
document it's formally updating (RFC7084) is also informational. -- Me, 
I'd probably agree with you that both RFC7084 and this document should 
be BCPs, rather than Informational. I'd like to hear from our AD 
regarding how to proceed here.

FWIW, I'm fine with changing the track to BCP, although I'd also note 
that there's plenty of existing practice of documents of this type 
published as Informational.



Either way, Informational seems wrong.
> 
> Nits/editorial comments:
> 
> Throughout the document, it says, "This document RECOMMENDS..." or "This
> document also RECOMMENDS" or "Additionally, this document RECOMMENDS". RFC 2119
> does not use "RECOMMENDS". You can say "CE Routers SHOULD..." or "A Router
> Lifetime of ND_PREFERRED_LIMIT is RECOMMENDED" or if you must "It is
> RECOMMENDED that..." (blech, I hate the passive form), since SHOULD and
> RECOMMENDED are equivalent in 2119, but using the "This document RECOMMENDS..."
> form is weird and isn't in 2119.

Fair enough. I'll apply the suggested edit unless I hear otherwise from 
others.




> In 3.3, it says:
> 
>     o  Upon changes to the advertised prefixes, and after bootstrapping,
>        the CE router advertising prefix information via SLAAC SHOULD
>        proceed as follows:
> 
> But then each of the things under there has a SHOULD or a MUST. The SHOULD here
> is confusing. Instead, the sentence could simply be:
> 
>     o  Upon changes to the advertised prefixes, and after bootstrapping,
>     the CE router advertising prefix information via SLAAC proceeds as
>     follows:
> 
> Similarly:
> 
>     This document RECOMMENDS that if a CE Router provides LAN-side DHCPv6
>     (address assignment or prefix delegation), the following behavior be
>     implemented:
> 
> Just make the sentence:
> 
>     If a CE Router that provides LAN-side DHCPv6 (address assignment or
>     prefix delegation), then:

FWIW, the motivation for the "SHOULD" in Section 3.3 is that it 
generally implies that the device records prefixes on non-volatile 
storage. But there are valid reasons for which a device might be unable 
to (e.g., economical, if you wish).

Then, the "MUSTs" elsewhere essentially try to signal how crucial 
implementation of each specific behavior is.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Regards,
-- 
Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
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