Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-jsonpath-base-17
Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> Thu, 10 August 2023 21:28 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-jsonpath-base-17
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With respect, I disagree with the reviewer's characterization of the document and thus with her conclusion. As she says, this specification does not specify nor require any behavior of JSON parsers, as specified at https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8259.html#section-9 - it is orthogonal to RFC8259. Rather, it assumes that such a parser has, per 8259, transformed the JSON text into another representation, one that allows software access to the structure of the document, without concern for its input textual form. This draft specifies the JSONPath syntax, and the results of applying that syntax to such a representation. I do not understand the reviewer’s point #2; is the syntax that might change that of JSON itself, or of JSONPath? If there is a revision of JSON with new syntax (and presumably semantics), a large number of existing RFCs that rely on the syntax and semantics in RFC8259 would have to change, this among them. (This probably won’t happen.) The point about new parsing techniques may be true, but is not relevant to this draft, which assumes that the JSON input has been parsed and its structures made available to software. On the third point, IANA registration is proposed to give JSONPath a way to evolve without core syntax modification, by providing a “function” primitive; new functions may be created and, for interoperability and namespace management, be registered. <Co-chair hat: on> It is the consensus of the WG that a standards-track RFC would be helpful to the community of developers who use JSONPath in a variety of protocols and applications. On Aug 10, 2023 at 11:18:21 AM, Linda Dunbar via Datatracker < noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > Reviewer: Linda Dunbar > Review result: Not Ready > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed > by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just > like any other last call comments. > > For more information, please see the FAQ at > > <https://wiki.ietf.org/en/group/gen/GenArtFAQ>. > > Document: draft-ietf-jsonpath-base-17 > Reviewer: Linda Dunbar > Review Date: 2023-08-10 > IETF LC End Date: 2023-08-09 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat > > Summary: > > The document specifies a method to parse the JSON objects to get values and > specifies the syntax to retrieve a list of values. The document reads well. > However, like any software programs, errors can be encountered at run time > even > after careful review. > > Major issues: > The major issue is that this document should not be “Standard Track” > because: > 1. Existing parsers for JSON data don’t need to change to comply with > the > syntax specified in this document. 2. Like SQL, this document > specified > syntax may change as more ways being developed by implementers to parse the > JSON objects. 3. It is not clear why IANA registration is needed. > > Minor issues: > > Nits/editorial comments: > > Thanks, Linda Dunbar > > >
- Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ie… Tim Bray
- Re: [Gen-art] [Jsonpath] Genart last call review … Glyn Normington
- [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-j… Linda Dunbar via Datatracker
- Re: [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart last call review… Brian Rosen
- Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ie… James
- Re: [Gen-art] [Last-Call] Genart last call review… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ie… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Gen-art] [Jsonpath] Genart last call review … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ie… Lars Eggert