Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery-12

mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Mon, 19 October 2020 06:42 UTC

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To: Peter Yee <peter@akayla.com>, "gen-art@ietf.org" <gen-art@ietf.org>
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Hi Peter, 

Thank you for the review. 

An updated version with changes to address you review can be seen at: https://github.com/boucadair/draft-ietf-dots-discovery/blob/master/draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery-12.txt 

A diff is also available here: https://tinyurl.com/dots-discovery-peter 

Please see inline.

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Peter Yee via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org]
> Envoyé : lundi 19 octobre 2020 06:48
> À : gen-art@ietf.org
> Cc : draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery.all@ietf.org; dots@ietf.org;
> last-call@ietf.org
> Objet : Genart last call review of draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery-
> 12
> 
> Reviewer: Peter Yee
> Review result: Ready with Issues
> 
> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area
> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by
> the IESG for the IETF Chair.  Please treat these comments just like
> any other last call comments.
> 
> For more information, please see the FAQ at
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> <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/gen/wiki/GenArtfaq>.
> 
> Document: draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery-12
> Reviewer: Peter Yee
> Review Date: 2020-10-18
> IETF LC End Date: 2020-10-12
> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat
> 
> Summary: This document specifies several methods by which a DOTS
> agent may be discovered dynamically. The document has a few nits. It
> also places what may be an unreasonable burden on the need to obtain
> authentication credentials during an attack. [Ready with Issues]
> 
> Major issues: None
> 
> Minor issues:
> 
> Page 4, section 1, last paragraph: the assumption that a DOTS agent
> can obtain an authentication credential in the midst of an attack in
> order to authenticate to another DOTS agent (server) in order to
> obtain services seems odd.

[Med] There is no such assumption in the draft. That text is about what is required to pre-provisioned so that a discovered server can be used. Add "pre-" to that text to avoid confusion. 

 There are already provisions in this
> document to allow servers to be specified by IP address in order to
> reduce the need to hit the DNS for a name resolution. But it's
> considered reasonable to attempt a more complex protocol in order to
> obtain a credential that may well be server-specific?

[Med] The mechanisms used to provision the credentials are not the ones used to discover the reachability information (think about SIP and the like). We are following a similar model for DOTS and hence the current scope for discovery in the document.  

 I think more
> discussion should be given here, particularly to possible
> mitigations. One suggestion might be to perform DOTS service
> discovery periodically (while not under
> attack)

[Med] As indicated in Section 4, the discovery will be executed when "attach(ing) to a new network" (covers the bootstrapping case) and then reiterated upon expiry of a validity timer. Other triggers to reiterate the procedure is

 and obtain the credentials needed to access each discovered
> service.
> While the set of services that are discovered during an attack may
> not exactly match those discovered prior to the attack, the idea is
> that the need for obtaining credentials during an attack could be
> obviated for services that have not changed during the intervening
> period. Further considerations could include rediscovering services
> and obtaining new credentials as old ones expire.

[Med] As called in Section 4, rediscovery will be doesn't upon credentials expiry. 

> 
> Page 6, section 4, 1st paragraph, last sentence: I'd consider
> dropping this sentence. It presumes that operators do not know how
> to segregate their hosts between different configuration regimes
> (manual/static vs. dynamic). Operators might prefer to maintain
> different DOTS services for hosts on their networks and to configure
> them with a mix of methods.

[Med] This is exactly what this text is about. Anyway, reworded the text.  

 This is similar to networks with both
> fixed IP addresses and DHCP services. Operators are expected to deal
> with configuration correctly and prevent clashes.
> 
> Page 7, 1st paragraph after the number list, last sentence: I'd say
> "suitable"
> might be more suitable (sorry) than "proper". It's not that a
> device's DNS configuration may not be proper, but that it can't be
> modified for DOTS purposes. The device may perform all other DNS
> lookup functions for its primary purpose without issue and still not
> be able to use DNS for DOTS discovery purposes.

[Med] OK.

> 
> Page 11, section 5.1.3, 4th paragraph, 2nd sentence: neither RFC
> 8415 (section
> 10) or the sub-referenced RFC 1035 (section 3.1) gives information
> on "validating" a domain name. What is meant by the term
> "validating"?

[Med] The validation is about making sure that he encoding follows the one in 1035 and that no compression form is used.

> 
> Page 11, section 5.1.3, 6th paragraph: add a discussion of what
> happens if all addresses end up being discarded. It doesn't have to
> be terribly involved, but the case should be addressed. Do reference
> identifiers (as when both OPTIONS_V6_DOT_RI and
> OPTIONS_V6_DOTS_ADDRESS are present) then need to be treated as
> names to be resolved?
> 

[Med] Rearranged the text so that one about validating addresses is discussed first. The discussion will then be whether valid addresses are obtained or not. 

> Page 13, section 5.2.3, 4th paragraph, 2nd sentence: same comment as
> given for 5.1.3/4/2.
> 
> Page 13, section 5.2.3, 6th paragraph: same comment as given for
> 5.1.3/6.
> 

[Med] Idem as above.

> Nits/editorial comments:

[Med] Fixed all those. Thank you, Peter. 

> 
> Page 3, section 1, 1st paragraph, 3rd sentence: change "appraoch" to
> "approach". Change "allows" to "helps".
> 
> Page 5, section 3, 2nd bullet item, 1st sentence: change "to
> associate" to "associating".
> 
> Page 5, section 3, 2nd bullet item, 2nd sentence: change "to
> directly provision" to "directly provisioning". Consider swapping
> "avoiding" and "therefore".
> 
> Page 6, 2nd bullet item: change "straightforward" to
> "Straightforward".
> 
> Page 6, section 4, 2nd paragraph last sentence: change "samples" to
> "examples".
> Change the colon to a period.
> 
> Page 6, list item 1, first bullet item, 1st paragraph, 1st sentence:
> delete the comma after "A DOTS client".
> 
> Page 6, last partial sentence: delete the "'s" (apostrophe s).
> 
> Page 8, section 5, 3rd paragraph: change "to also supply" to "also
> supplying".
> 
> Page 8, section 5, 7th paragraph: change "to terminate" to
> "terminating".
> 
> Page 11, section 5.1.3, 3rd paragraph, 1st sentence: insert "the"
> before "reference identifier".
> 
> Page 11, section 5.1.3, 3rd paragraph, 2nd sentence: insert "an"
> before "underlying resolution library".
> 
> Page 13, section 5.2.3, 3rd paragraph, 1st sentence: insert "the"
> before "reference identifier".
> 
> Page 15, Figure 8 title: delete "Sample".
> 
> Page 18, section 8.1, 2nd paragraph, 4th sentence: change "pe-
> configured" to "pre-configured".
> 
> Page 18, section 8.1, 2nd paragraph, 5th sentence: insert "a" before
> "list".
> Change "DHCP discovered" to "DHCP-discovered".
> 
> Page 18, section 8.1, 2nd paragraph, last sentence: change "DHCP
> discovered" to "DHCP-discovered".
> 
> 


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