Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft-ietf-json-text-sequence-09
"Black, David" <david.black@emc.com> Mon, 08 December 2014 03:00 UTC
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From: "Black, David" <david.black@emc.com>
To: John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org>, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se>
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Subject: Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft-ietf-json-text-sequence-09
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I agree with Patrik - this draft assumes UTF-8 encoding and should state that requirement explicitly. John's proposed text change below is in section 2.1 for the decoder; the encoder text in section 2.2 needs a corresponding change: OLD In prose: any number of JSON texts, each preceded by one ASCII RS character and each followed by a line feed (LF). NEW In prose: any number of JSON texts encoded as UTF-8, each preceded by one ASCII RS character and each followed by a line feed (LF). Thanks, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: John Cowan [mailto:cowan@ccil.org] On Behalf Of John Cowan > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 4:08 PM > To: Patrik Fältström > Cc: Black, David; Nico Williams; General Area Review Team (gen-art@ietf.org) > json@ietf.org; ops-dir@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft-ietf-json-text- > sequence-09 > > Patrik Fältström scripsit: > > > I.e. the way I read draft-ietf-json-text-sequence (and I might be > > wrong), you have specific octet values that act as separators. That > > only works if the encoding is UTF-8. > > This is a binary representation which has embedded JSON texts represented > in UTF-8. Since the first character in a JSON text is necessarily in > the ASCII repertoire, it is not possible to parse a UTF-16 or UTF-32 > JSON text as UTF-8 and come out with valid JSON. > > However, I grant that mentioning UTF-8 only in an ABNF comment is not > really prominent enough. Proposed wording change: > > For: > > In prose: a series of octet strings, each containing any octet other > than a record separator (RS) (0x1E) [RFC0020], all octet strings > separated from each other by RS octets. Each octet string in the > sequence is to be parsed as a JSON text. > > read: > > In prose: a series of octet strings, each containing any octet other > than a record separator (RS) (0x1E) [RFC0020], all octet strings > separated from each other by RS octets. Each octet string in the > sequence is to be parsed as a JSON text in UTF-8 encoding. > > and add a suitable reference to UTF-8. > > > Ok, so what you say is that a string in an attribute value in the JSON > > blob can still start with U+FEFF? > > Just so. > > > -- > John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org > As we all know, civil libertarians are not the friskiest group around -- > comes from forever being on the qui vive for the sound of jack-booted > fascism coming down the pike. --Molly Ivins
- [Gen-art] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft-iet… Black, David
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft… Black, David
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft… Pete Resnick
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… John Cowan
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… John Cowan
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Black, David
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Tim Bray
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Nico Williams
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Nico Williams
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Nico Williams
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft… Nico Williams
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… John Cowan
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Nico Williams
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Nico Williams
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft… Black, David
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft… Nico Williams
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft… Black, David
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft… Nico Williams
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft… Nico Williams
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft… Black, David
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [Gen-art] [Json] Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review o… John Cowan