Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-isis-prefix-attributes-03
Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> Mon, 04 January 2016 14:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-isis-prefix-attributes-03
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Les, This works for me. Thanks, Paul On 1/3/16 10:53 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Paul - > > Attached is a diff file w the changes I have made to address your comments. Please let me know if this suffices. > > (co-authors - please let me know if you have any concerns regarding the proposed changes) > > Thanx. > > Les > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Kyzivat [mailto:pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 12:49 PM >> To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); draft-ietf-isis-prefix-attributes.all@ietf.org >> Cc: General Area Review Team >> Subject: Re: Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-isis-prefix-attributes-03 >> >> Hi Les, >> >> Trimming to the relevant points: >> >> On 1/3/16 9:27 AM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: >> >>>> Note that at the end of the day my comments are just suggestions. You >>>> can act on them or not. They only become binding if the IESG decides >>>> to raise them. >>> >>> [Les:] I want you to know that I take your comments seriously - binding or >> not. You obviously invested time in reviewing - which I appreciate. >> >> Thanks. Genart is educational for the reviewers (at least for me) because we >> are usually reviewing things we know nothing about! It often takes some >> sniffing around to gain enough context to do the review. >> >> But I think that is the point of genart - to get a review from somebody who >> doesn't already know the subject. >> >>>> Understood. But the abstract will be seen by many (like me) who don't >>>> fall into that category. They are left entirely in the dark about what this is >> about. >>>> Might it be something they *ought* to be interested in? >>>> After reading the abstract, the only clue I had about the scope of >>>> this document was the name of the wg from the draft name. And once >>>> this becomes an RFC that won't be available as a hint. I had to look >>>> up isis in the list of WGs to discover that this was in the routing >>>> area. Then I had to do more searching to figure out what IS-IS was about. >>>> >>> >>> [Les:] The title (even once it becomes an RFC) includes "IS-IS". If you don't >> know that IS-IS is a routing protocol, do you think that further clarification is >> needed to help you understand that this isn't something which you are >> interested in reading? >> >> It is sufficient to get people to stop reading and ignore it. Maybe that is >> enough. >> >> But for the person who goes a step further and pulls the full document and >> still doesn't know, it would be nice to add an informative reference to the >> intro, to a base document for IS-IS. As best I can tell, the likely one is >> RFC1195. For example, revise the first sentence of the intro: >> >> There are existing use cases for IS-IS [RFC1195] in which knowing >> additional attributes of a network prefix is useful. >> >>>>> In regards to the term "prefix", you seem to be expecting the >>>>> document to >>>> define that term - but in looking at multiple RFCs I do not see >>>> precedent for that. It is part of the base knowledge that has been >>>> assumed that readers understand . Perhaps this is a bad practice - >>>> but if so there are many documents - not restricted solely to IS-IS >>>> related documents - that could be critiqued on this basis. I would >>>> ask that this comment be viewed in a larger context - I don't think >>>> this particular draft should be asked to deviate from common practice >> without larger guidance from the IETF community. >>>> >>>> Not a definition, just a disambiguation. Simply replacing "prefix" >>>> with "network prefix" would have met my need. >>>> >>> >>> [Les:] You are proposing that "prefix" be replaced by "network prefix" >> throughout the document? >>> This has not been done in any of the existing RFCs that I checked. >> >> Not everywhere, just one or a few places - say in the abstract and the intro. >> >>>>> In regards to "references to the Introduction", I emphasize that the >>>> Introduction is neither normative nor exhaustive. It is meant to >>>> provide some examples of cases where the information contained in the >>>> new advertisements could be useful. I therefore find that references >>>> to it would be inappropriate. >>>> >>>> I guess I wasn't clear. I was suggesting that reference(s) be added >>>> to the introduction. (References are not permitted in the abstract, >>>> but they are allowed in the intro.) A reference to the base >>>> specification for the internet version of IS-IS would have helped me. >>>> >>> >>> [Les:] I usually constrain references to those which are actually useful in the >> context of the topics being discussed in the draft. Base specifications are not >> directly referenced in this draft because we are extending TLVs which were >> defined in RFCs issued long after the base specifications were published. >> However, the following could be added to the introduction: >>> >>> "IS-IS is a link state routing protocol defined in [ISO10589] and [RFC1195]. >> Extensions in support of advertising new forms of IP/IPv6 prefix reachability >> are defined in [RFC5305], [RFC5308], and [RFC5120]." >>> >>> Is this what you had in mind? >> >> Yes. >> >> Thanks, >> Paul >> >
- [Gen-art] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-i… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-i… Paul Kyzivat
- [Gen-art] Gen-ART Telechat review of draft-ietf-i… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-i… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-i… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-i… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-i… Xuxiaohu
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-i… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-i… Uma Chunduri
- [Gen-art] Gen-ART Telechat review of draft-ietf-i… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Telechat review of draft-ie… Jari Arkko
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