Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-salgueiro-vcarddav-kind-device-06
Peter Saint-Andre <psaintan@cisco.com> Fri, 30 November 2012 16:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-salgueiro-vcarddav-kind-device-06
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I think only the expansion is fine. And yes, 6350. Typing too fast. :) On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:41 AM, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > On 11/30/12 11:37 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> Hi Vijay and Gonzalo, >> >> Agreed, that change in the introduction makes sense. >> >> As to FN, how about this? >> >> OLD >> o The device itself (e.g., the FN property might represent the >> hostname of a computing device, the URL property might represent a >> website that contains details on where to find documentation or >> get further information about the device, the KEY property might >> represent a digital certificate that was provisioned into the >> device at the time of manufacture [IEEE.802.1AR], or a public key >> certificate previously provisioned into the device, and the ADR, >> GEO, and TZ properties might represent the physical address, >> geographical location, and timezone where the device is deployed). >> >> NEW >> o The device itself. For example, the FN ("full name") property >> ([RFC6250, section 2.1) might represent the hostname of a computing >> device, the URL property might represent a website that contains >> details on where to find documentation or get further information >> about the device, the KEY property might represent a digital >> certificate that was provisioned into the device at the time of >> manufacture [IEEE.802.1AR], or a public key certificate previously >> provisioned into the device, and the ADR, GEO, and TZ properties >> might represent the physical address, geographical location, and >> timezone where the device is deployed. > > While I think you mean 6350 :-) I wonder do we need this reference? We > don't do the same for ADR, GEO, and TZ below. I don't mind the > parenthetical expansion. Would that not be sufficient? > > Joe > >> >> Peter >> >> On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Gonzalo Salgueiro wrote: >> >>> Vijay - >>> >>> Good to hear from you, my friend. Hope you are well. >>> >>> Thanks for the detailed review. As for your two nits: >>> >>> 1. I'm fine with the suggested edit and will update the next version (after IETF LC) with the suggested changes. >>> >>> 2. FN is a well-known identification property for vCards and does expand to "Full Name". Even in RFC 6350 it doesn't appear to be expanded, so I'll likely continue that trend and simply add a reference section 6.2.1 of RFC 6350 after the usage of FN to help the uninitiated in vCards. Is that OK with you? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Gonzalo >>> >>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Vijay K. Gurbani wrote: >>> >>>> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on >>>> Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at >>>> <http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq>. >>>> >>>> Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments >>>> you may receive. >>>> >>>> Document: draft-salgueiro-vcarddav-kind-device-06 >>>> Reviewer: Vijay K. Gurbani >>>> Review Date: Nov-30-2012 >>>> IETF LC End Date: Dec-26-2012 >>>> IESG Telechat date: Unknown >>>> >>>> This document is ready as a Proposed Standard. >>>> >>>> Major: 0 >>>> Minor: 0 >>>> Nits: 2 >>>> >>>> Nits: >>>> >>>> 1/ S1: The value "thing" sort of creeps up on you in the second >>>> paragraph. Upon further reading, it becomes more apparent that >>>> during the WG discussions "thing" was a meta-value (or super- >>>> class) and that "application" and "device" appear to be sub- >>>> classes (or specific values) of "thing"s. >>>> >>>> Furthermore, rf6473 already defined "application" and that this >>>> particular draft is now defining "device". >>>> >>>> To better impart this information, I would suggest the following >>>> simple modification >>>> >>>> OLD: >>>> ...Working Group defined values of "individual", "org", "group", and >>>> "location" for the KIND property. Additionally, [RFC6473] has >>>> defined a value of "application" for the KIND property to represent >>>> software applications. >>>> >>>> During working group discussion of the document that became >>>> [RFC6473], consideration was given to defining a more general value >>>> of "thing", but it was decided to split "thing" into software >>>> applications and hardware devices and to define only the >>>> "application" value at that time.... >>>> >>>> NEW: >>>> ...Working Group defined values of "individual", "org", "group", and >>>> "location" for the KIND property. >>>> >>>> During working group discussion of the document that became >>>> [RFC6473], consideration was given to defining a more general value >>>> of "thing", but it was decided to split "thing" into software >>>> applications and hardware devices and to define only the >>>> "application" value at that time.... >>>> >>>> 2/ S2, top of page 4: "FN" probably expands to "Full Name". If it is >>>> an accepted practice to use "FN" in your domain, then you can leave >>>> it unexpanded. If not, then an expansion may help the general reader >>>> (like me) who may think what "FN" is. (The rest of the properties >>>> listed on page 4 and 5 appear to be self-explanatory). >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> - vijay >>>> -- >>>> Vijay K. Gurbani, Bell Laboratories, Alcatel-Lucent >>>> 1960 Lucent Lane, Rm. 9C-533, Naperville, Illinois 60563 (USA) >>>> Email: vkg@{bell-labs.com,acm.org} / vijay.gurbani@alcatel-lucent.com >>>> Web: http://ect.bell-labs.com/who/vkg/ >>>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > Joe Marcus Clarke, CCIE #5384, | | > SCJP, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA, VCP ||||| ||||| > Distinguished Services Engineer ..:|||||||||::|||||||||:.. > Phone: +1 (919) 392-2867 c i s c o S y s t e m s > Email: jclarke@cisco.com > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-salgueiro-v… Vijay K. Gurbani
- [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-salgueiro-vcard… Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-salgueiro-v… Gonzalo Salgueiro
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-salgueiro-v… Joe Marcus Clarke
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-salgueiro-v… Gonzalo Salgueiro
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-salgueiro-v… Joe Marcus Clarke
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-salgueiro-v… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-salgueiro-v… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-salgueiro-v… Joe Marcus Clarke
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-salgueiro-v… Vijay K. Gurbani
- Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-salgueiro-v… Pete Resnick