Re: [Gen-art] review of draft-ietf-avtcore-feedback-supression-rtp-16.txt
Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com> Fri, 13 April 2012 08:59 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Gen-art] review of draft-ietf-avtcore-feedback-supression-rtp-16.txt
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Hi, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Magnus Westerlund" <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> To: "Qin Wu" <bill.wu@huawei.com> Cc: "Francis Dupont" <Francis.Dupont@fdupont.fr>; <gen-art@ietf.org>; <draft-ietf-avtcore-feedback-supression-rtp.all@tools.ietf.org> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:37 PM Subject: Re: review of draft-ietf-avtcore-feedback-supression-rtp-16.txt > On 2012-04-13 10:19, Qin Wu wrote: >> Hi,Francis: >> Sorry for late reply. please see my repy inline. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Francis Dupont" <Francis.Dupont@fdupont.fr> >> To: "Qin Wu" <bill.wu@huawei.com> >> Cc: <gen-art@ietf.org>; <draft-ietf-avtcore-feedback-supression-rtp.all@tools.ietf.org> >> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:43 PM >> Subject: Re: review of draft-ietf-avtcore-feedback-supression-rtp-16.txt >> >> >>> In your previous mail you wrote: >>> >>>> > - Abstract page 1: implosion -> explosion (things which can implode are rare :-) >>>> >>>> [Qin]: RFC4588 referenced by this document is using "implosion". So >>>> I think it should be fine to use the same term in this document.:-) >>> >>> => RFC 2887 too. IMHO it is time to stop this "implosion" madness and >>> to return to a correct language (BTW we have the same problem in French, for >>> an unknown reason the word implosion is often used in place of explosion >>> when it has the exact opposite meaning...). >> >> [Qin]:I can understand it is more sensitive to use "explosion" than "implosion"in France.:-) >> However my understanding is implosion seems to mean feedback messages overwhelm the network capacity. >> If we change "implosion" into "explosion", we seems to change the meaning of "feedback implosion", >> that is to say, "feedback explision " means feedback message has already paralyzed the network. The Network dies :-). >> I am aware that RFC4585 also use "feedback implosion". Since this draft references RFC4585, >> Isn't draft-ietf-avtcore-feedback-supression-rtp in accordance with RFC4585? > > I would like to point out that feedback implosion actually can be seen > as an implosion event. All the feedback traffic generated are > concentrated at the target for the feedback. Thus causing an implosion > of the feedback target under the "weight" of all the feedback. [Qin]: Exactly. > But, seriously "Feedback Implosion" is an established expression within > computer science. Thus although it may not be all correct we shouldn't > change it. [Qin]: Agree. >I would recommend that you google "Feedback Implosion" all > the hits on the first page are related to computer science, at least for me. > > Cheers > > Magnus Westerlund > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 > Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >
- [Gen-art] review of draft-ietf-avtcore-feedback-s… Francis Dupont
- Re: [Gen-art] review of draft-ietf-avtcore-feedba… Qin Wu
- Re: [Gen-art] review of draft-ietf-avtcore-feedba… Francis Dupont
- Re: [Gen-art] review of draft-ietf-avtcore-feedba… Qin Wu
- Re: [Gen-art] review of draft-ietf-avtcore-feedba… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [Gen-art] review of draft-ietf-avtcore-feedba… Qin Wu
- Re: [Gen-art] review of draft-ietf-avtcore-feedba… Francis Dupont
- Re: [Gen-art] review of draft-ietf-avtcore-feedba… Francis Dupont
- Re: [Gen-art] review of draft-ietf-avtcore-feedba… Qin Wu