Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-conex-concepts-uses-04.txt

Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> Tue, 10 April 2012 13:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-conex-concepts-uses-04.txt
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On 04/04/2012 18:45, Bob Briscoe wrote:
> Alexey,
Hi Bob,
> Thanks for your review - we are all indebted to people like you who 
> commit to review stuff that you don't necessarily have an interest in.
>
>
> We're concerned if you think the doc isn't understandable without 
> reading the I-D refs. This is meant to be the entry-point to the set 
> of ConEx documentation, so we intended it to be understandable without 
> knowing how ConEx works (beyond the high level description in the 
> introduction). "Understandable" here means sufficient to satisfy the 
> stated purpose of the doc, which is to motivate ConEx (not to 
> understand how it works).
Maybe I wasn't very clear: the document was understandable without 
checking out the references.
>
> The refs are intended to be used the other way round - having read 
> this, you should be motivated to go and read more, so it provides 
> pointers to what's available.
>
> Are you sure the need to read the refs is not a symptom of your 
> (natural) curiosity to know how ConEx works? Is it really necessary to 
> know the details of how ConEx works to understand the motivation for 
> building it?
>
> The second paragraph sets out the purpose of the doc:
> "
>    This document provides the entry point to the set of documentation
>    about the Congestion Exposure (ConEx) protocol.  It focuses on the
>    motivation for including a ConEx marking at the IP layer.  (A
>    companion document, [I-D.ietf-conex-abstract-mech], focuses on the
>    mechanics of the protocol.)
> "
I've just rechecked references to drafts and I can see them being 
Informative. So thank you for your response and your document is getting 
"all clear" from me.

Thank you,
Alexey
> Bob
>
> At 18:09 04/04/2012, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
>> I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART)
>> reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the 
>> FAQ at <http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq>
>>
>> Please resolve these comments along with any other comments you may 
>> receive.
>>
>> Document: draft-ietf-conex-concepts-uses-04.txt
>> Reviewer: Alexey Melnikov
>> Review Date: 2012-04-04
>> IETF LC End Date: 2012-04-12
>> IESG Review: 2012-04-12
>>
>> Summary: The document is nearly ready for publication as an 
>> Informational RFC (see one issue below)
>>
>>
>> Major issues: none
>>
>> Minor issues:
>>
>> This might be pedantic, but I think some of your Informational 
>> references are actually Normative, because they are needed to 
>> understand the document. See "IESG Statement: Normative and 
>> Informative References" for more details 
>> <http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/normative-informative.html>.
>>
>> This almost doesn't matter for an Informational document, however if 
>> any of 5 drafts becomes Normative, publication of this document as an 
>> RFC will be delayed. Still, this might be better than just getting it 
>> published with "work in progress" references.
>>
>> But otherwise this is a well written document and I enjoyed reading it.
>>
>>
>> Nits/editorial comments: none