Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctp-strrst-12

Michael Tuexen <tuexen@fh-muenster.de> Wed, 30 November 2011 21:51 UTC

Return-Path: <tuexen@fh-muenster.de>
X-Original-To: gen-art@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: gen-art@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBE111E8099 for <gen-art@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:51:17 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.243
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.243 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_SUB_6CONS_WORD=0.356]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZK1ge3VwBB5h for <gen-art@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:51:16 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-n.franken.de (drew.ipv6.franken.de [IPv6:2001:638:a02:a001:20e:cff:fe4a:feaa]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5CE11E8081 for <gen-art@ietf.org>; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:51:16 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [192.168.1.200] (p508F9A05.dip.t-dialin.net [80.143.154.5]) (Authenticated sender: macmic) by mail-n.franken.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488AC1C0C0BD4; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:51:15 +0100 (CET)
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
From: Michael Tuexen <tuexen@fh-muenster.de>
In-Reply-To: <4ED69BB9.4030001@bell-labs.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:51:14 +0100
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-Id: <4319BEFF-44DB-4902-B75C-23D613609BDC@fh-muenster.de>
References: <4ED66709.50304@bell-labs.com> <22C7D48E-485B-4333-B29A-DB16BCCD3626@fh-muenster.de> <4ED69BB9.4030001@bell-labs.com>
To: "Vijay K. Gurbani" <vkg@bell-labs.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1)
Cc: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk, Wesley Eddy <wes@mti-systems.com>, draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctp-strrst@tools.ietf.org, "James M. Polk" <jmpolk@cisco.com>, General Area Review Team <gen-art@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctp-strrst-12
X-BeenThere: gen-art@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: "GEN-ART: General Area Review Team" <gen-art.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/gen-art>, <mailto:gen-art-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/gen-art>
List-Post: <mailto:gen-art@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gen-art-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art>, <mailto:gen-art-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:51:17 -0000

On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Vijay K. Gurbani wrote:

> On 11/30/2011 02:19 PM, Michael Tuexen wrote:
>>> - S5, second paragraph --- "The procedures outlined in this section are
>>> designed so that the incoming side will always reset their stream
>>> sequence number first before the outgoing side which means the re-
>>> configuration request must always originate from the outgoing side."
>> A stream is unidirectional. So it is outgoing for one side, incoming
>> for the other. The outgoing side has to request the reset, the incoming
>> side will perform it and acknowledge that the reset has been performed and
>> then the outgoing side will also do the reset.
> 
> OK, so let's see ... assume two hosts A and B with two unidrectional
> streams open between them:
> 
> 
>    --------- a' -------->
> A                         B
>    <-------- b' ---------
> 
> a' is outgoing stream for A and incoming stream for B.
> b' is outgoing stream for B and incoming stream for A.
Correct.
> 
> What you are saying is that either A has to request a reset on a'
> or B has to request a reset on b'.  In the worst possible case,
Correct.
> both A and B can request a reset on their respective streams
> (A on a' and B on b') without leading to deadlock or a violation
> of the protocol.  Yes?
Correct.
> 
> If so, then this discussion at least makes it clear to me.  However,
> I will leave it to you on whether or not to clarify this further
> in the draft.  When I read the draft initially, I certainly had
> enough doubts that resulted in this email exchange.
I understand. When rereading the sentence because of your mail,
I also think it is suboptimal, but could not come up with an improved
version right now. Let me see if I can improve it...

Best regards
Michael
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - vijay
> -- 
> Vijay K. Gurbani, Bell Laboratories, Alcatel-Lucent
> 1960 Lucent Lane, Rm. 9C-533, Naperville, Illinois 60566 (USA)
> Email: vkg@{bell-labs.com,acm.org} / vijay.gurbani@alcatel-lucent.com
> Web:   http://ect.bell-labs.com/who/vkg/
>