Re: [Gen-art] [lisp] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-lisp-rfc8113bis-01

"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Wed, 19 December 2018 04:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gen-art] [lisp] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-lisp-rfc8113bis-01
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That is the other fix he offered.  Just remove the updates tag.
I will leav eit to you and the the authors to determine which is correct.
Yours,
Joel

On 12/18/18 11:43 PM, Dino Farinacci wrote:
> 8113bis should say that is it *extending* the type field so we can have more types. The word “update” I always had a problem with because it can be interpreted as “replacing". Replacing something to fix a problem.
> 
> 8113 is simply asking for one of the type value codepoint, so there can be another format to have more types.
> 
> Dino
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2018, at 9:24 PM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com>; wrote:
>>
>> Authors: that sounds like a reasonable addition to me?
>>
>> Yours,
>> Joel
>>
>> On 12/18/18 10:48 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>> On 2018-12-19 15:46, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
>>>> This is part of the package to move the coherent set of base LISP specs
>>>> to PS.
>>>>
>>>> The reason we did this rather than folding it into 6830bis / 6833bis is
>>>> that we had originally simply cited 8113, and then realized that needed
>>>> to move to PS along with everything else.  It seemed (and is) simpler to
>>>> do it separately rather than to further modify 6830bis / 6933bis.
>>>>
>>>> As for why it updates 6833bis, that is because one of the cahnges in
>>>> moving the set to PS was to improve the split as to which information
>>>> belonged in which document.
>>> OK, but I still don't find it logical The text doesn't explain which part of
>>> 6833bis is impacted, and normally these days we require such an explanation.
>>> And if there is an impact, you're missing the opportunity of fixing the error
>>> or gap in 6833bis, so the reader of 6833bis will be none the wiser unless
>>> you insert a reference to 8113bis.
>>> On the other hand, if there is no error or gap, you don't need "Updates:"
>>> at all. (Unfortunately, we don't have an "Extends:" header.)
>>>     Brian
>>>>
>>>> Yours,
>>>> Joel
>>>>
>>>> On 12/18/18 9:25 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
>>>>> Reviewer: Brian Carpenter
>>>>> Review result: Ready with Issues
>>>>>
>>>>> Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-lisp-rfc8113bis-01
>>>>>
>>>>> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area
>>>>> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed
>>>>> by the IESG for the IETF Chair.  Please treat these comments just
>>>>> like any other last call comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> For more information, please see the FAQ at
>>>>> <http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq>;.
>>>>>
>>>>> Document: draft-ietf-lisp-rfc8113bis-01.txt
>>>>> Reviewer: Brian Carpenter
>>>>> Review Date: 2018-12-19
>>>>> IETF LC End Date: 2018-12-27
>>>>> IESG Telechat date:
>>>>>
>>>>> Summary: Ready with issues
>>>>> --------
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments:
>>>>> ---------
>>>>>
>>>>> I note that this is being raised from Experimental to the standards track.
>>>>> Presumably that depends on the base LISP spec becoming PS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Minor issues:
>>>>> -------------
>>>>>
>>>>> "This document updates I-D.ietf-lisp-rfc6833bis." The text doesn't
>>>>> explain which text is updated. This is in contrast to RFC8113, which
>>>>> explains clearly how it updates RFC6830 (*not* RFC6833). Why doesn't
>>>>> this draft claim to update rfc6830bis? I'm going to assume that
>>>>> is an error.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact, why wasn't the definition of the LISP Packet Types registry
>>>>> moved into the base spec (rfc6830bis)? That is where it belongs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since rfc6830bis (and rfc6833bis) are still under IESG review, anything
>>>>> in them that needs updating should be updated! The fact is that rfc8113bis
>>>>> extends rfc6830bis, which is not the same thing as "updates".
>>>>> If the WG thinks that implementers of 6830bis need to read 8113bis,
>>>>> there should be a normative reference in 6830bis to 8113bis.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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