Re: [Gen-art] [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-dmarc-psd-08

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Thu, 16 April 2020 03:39 UTC

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From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:39:11 -0700
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To: Seth Blank <seth@sethblank.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gen-art] [dmarc-ietf] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-dmarc-psd-08
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:31 PM Seth Blank <seth@sethblank.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 7:45 PM Scott Kitterman <scott@kitterman.com>
> wrote:
>
>> > I think you are very close to an Abstract/Introduction that is clearly
>> > comprehensible to people who are not familiar with DMARC.
>>
>> Considering this is an extension to DMARC, I don't think that's the
>> target
>> audience.
>>
>
> As an individual: everyone who reads the document stand-alone gets
> confused by this lack of clarity (it's the common thread through all the
> last call reviews so far), and a concise summary up top feels valuable both
> for this evaluation process, and for any future consumers of the document.
> Whether someone's familiar with DMARC or not, if they're reading this
> document, what's the harm in spelling it out very clearly, especially if we
> have text that we believe accomplishes this?
>

+1.  If even a small number of people (and the GenART review itself might
be enough) thinks it's in need of this kind of improvement, I would be
surprised if the IESG sends it back to the working group for revision.  If
the goal is to get this thing published so people can start conducting the
experiment, putting the work in now can only help you.

-MSK