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Hi,

One more comment:

Section 2 (Terminology):
-----------------------------

Q2_1: Is there really a need to define the edge relay (ER) here?

It is not used anywhere in the document, and it creates a cross-reference w=
ith draft-ietf-v6ops-siit-dc-2xlat - which is the document extending the SI=
IT mechanism, by defining the ER.

Regards,

Christer



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erg
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Subject: [Gen-art] FW: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-v6ops-siit-dc-02

Re-send with correct IETF tools e-mail address.

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Subject: [Gen-art] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-v6ops-siit-dc-02

I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-AR=
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Artfaq>
Document:                                   draft-ietf-v6ops-siit-dc-02.txt
Reviewer:                                     Christer Holmberg
Review Date:                               17 September 2015
IETF LC End Date:                       22 September 2015
IETF Telechat Date:                   N/A
Summary:                                     The document is well written, =
and almost ready for publication. However, there are a few editorial nits t=
hat I ask the author to address.
Major Issues: None
Minor Issues: None
Editorial Issues:

Section 1 (Introduction):
---------------------------------

Q1_1:

In a few places the 'BR' abbreviation is used, but it is not enhanced until=
 section 2. Please enhance on first occurrence in section 1.


Q1_2:

In a few places the 'BR' abbreviation is used, but it is not enhanced until=
 section 2. Please enhance on first occurrence in section 1.

The text says:

"o  To ensure that that the legacy users' IPv4 addresses remain
      visible to the nodes and applications."

...and:

"This ensures that there is no loss of information; the end-user's IPv4
source address remains available to the application, allowing"

It may be obvious, but would it be possible to somehow make it more clear t=
hat the text is not (I assume) talking about the application running on the=
 IPv4 node, but an application running in an IPv6 network?

In other parts of the document it is more clear. E.g. in section 3.1 the te=
xt says: "application running on the IPv6-only server",


Section 6 (IANA Considerations):
----------------------------------------

Q6_1: Do we normally remove the section if there are no requests from IANA?=
 Personally I prefer to keep the explicit "This draft makes no request of t=
he IANA." sentence.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">One more comment:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Section 2 (Terminology):<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----------------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Q2_1: Is there really a need to=
 define the edge relay (ER) here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">It is not used anywhere in the =
document, and it creates a cross-reference with draft-ietf-v6ops-siit-dc-2x=
lat &#8211; which is the document extending the SIIT mechanism, by defining=
 the ER.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Christer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Christer Holmberg</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Review Date:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 17=
 September 2015</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">IETF LC End Date:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 22 September 2015</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; N/A</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Summary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The document is well written, and almost read=
y for publication. However, there are a few editorial nits that I ask
 the author to address.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Major Issues: None</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Minor Issues: None<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Editorial Issues:<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Section 1 (Introduction):<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">-------------------------------=
--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Q1_1:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">In a few places the &#8216;BR&#=
8217; abbreviation is used, but it is not enhanced until section 2. Please =
enhance on first occurrence in section 1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Q1_2:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">In a few places the &#8216;BR&#=
8217; abbreviation is used, but it is not enhanced until section 2. Please =
enhance on first occurrence in section 1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">The text says:<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&#8220;o&nbsp; To ensure that t=
hat the legacy users' IPv4 addresses remain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
visible to the nodes and applications.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&#8230;and:<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&#8220;This ensures that there =
is no loss of information; the end-user's IPv4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">source address remains availabl=
e to the application, allowing&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">It may be obvious, but would it=
 be possible to somehow make it more clear that the text is not (I assume) =
talking about the application running on the IPv4 node, but an application =
running in an IPv6 network?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">In other parts of the document =
it is more clear. E.g. in section 3.1 the text says: &#8220;application run=
ning on the IPv6-only server&#8221;,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Section 6 (IANA Considerations)=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">-------------------------------=
---------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Q6_1: Do we normally remove the=
 section if there are no requests from IANA? Personally I prefer to keep th=
e explicit
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US">&#8220;This draft makes no request of the IANA.=
&#8221; sentence.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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