Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-push-21

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Fri, 04 January 2019 09:03 UTC

Return-Path: <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
X-Original-To: gen-art@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: gen-art@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5418130FBE for <gen-art@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 01:03:56 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.365
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.365 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.065, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ericsson.com header.b=NRgI7h0y; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ericsson.com header.b=QibWEZZY
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hxo1gn-cl9Xl for <gen-art@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 01:03:55 -0800 (PST)
Received: from sesbmg22.ericsson.net (sesbmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 797B6130FC2 for <gen-art@ietf.org>; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 01:03:52 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=ericsson.com; s=mailgw201801; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; i=@ericsson.com; t=1546592629; x=1549184629; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:CC:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=kCoun2B5Uq14FFhO5e95vuuU5t0errzvv6jFUffGURM=; b=NRgI7h0yhdAUJa2o7FVkZmG5C0WtTePHRQNAIZcOsFXIjc9LonbrHjy2zthtC9HF NfOQRxLWK1k5NQbanyHHd/hdnXLJhHEYLDXryBYJCa2AKDSQvc0VAEYm98xj6f8m UZ5ML+IvRZ0wpO9uLVzmFYA+1q87mxCrJw0jWO+XorA=;
X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-fabff7000000355c-44-5c2f2175a6b4
Received: from ESESSMB501.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.119]) by sesbmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id F0.34.13660.5712F2C5; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 10:03:49 +0100 (CET)
Received: from ESESSMB503.ericsson.se (153.88.183.164) by ESESSMB501.ericsson.se (153.88.183.162) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1466.3; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 10:03:48 +0100
Received: from EUR03-AM5-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (153.88.183.157) by ESESSMB503.ericsson.se (153.88.183.164) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1466.3 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 10:03:47 +0100
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericsson.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=kCoun2B5Uq14FFhO5e95vuuU5t0errzvv6jFUffGURM=; b=QibWEZZYITuy6EDmTWdpEcgnpBXzhnxwMMYenVfs/KgirBMHZfRyMLnisHSNytyOkdVV5yycuOEFl9qzomuL9o2gyDT8akJeEMycyARJQSVCU7cEX7HWuDNajUPgpGajJz7CesH7qBbHMxr1QOsoYbJSEiWmYxz/8BFBiCRel7I=
Received: from AM6PR07MB5621.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (20.178.91.14) by AM6PR07MB5909.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (20.178.91.154) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.1516.3; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 09:03:46 +0000
Received: from AM6PR07MB5621.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::5936:1370:d265:a754]) by AM6PR07MB5621.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::5936:1370:d265:a754%6]) with mapi id 15.20.1516.000; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 09:03:46 +0000
From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, "gen-art@ietf.org" <gen-art@ietf.org>
CC: "sipcore@ietf.org" <sipcore@ietf.org>, "iesg@ietf.org" <iesg@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-push.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-push.all@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-push-21
Thread-Index: AQHUmHnbhL//j9QpUE23y2JGdtRb2KWNrmaAgBFa9YA=
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 09:03:46 +0000
Message-ID: <61549569-22FC-47B3-9B5A-3312A05A204C@ericsson.com>
References: <044AE9AD-72F5-40D2-8A35-76E97D2F0A8D@ericsson.com> <bac0b4de-f9b0-1da9-2666-4e1cdd8a4bea@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <bac0b4de-f9b0-1da9-2666-4e1cdd8a4bea@gmail.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.14.0.181208
authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=christer.holmberg@ericsson.com;
x-originating-ip: [89.166.49.243]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; AM6PR07MB5909; 6:LTAV874oX1VRUXu/VvZ92oFyX4C3+X21rWRSbTgd0DnUQJR2GxoxV/U3+JpKll85jCy6iYkMUs/n0GWxJSYNzqQBQGGqUvSCXMB+5NxeZPLOhNI366JwczZ8CcGVcMcLZKcgHMFRF/zlqjLbxnvkd9UBOudl6uy8frDFay6xKChw5oAbUSXFXKu8h6thMZ+Vy6+xoSoWa+2PBTlcw1KCPhVs6Irt93efysOYmai28Ldla9IdSH4PDQZ1poNY3ZzmQrMq306UH2C+GHeBx5iwAxppJ4wxebZ3GkhyKG2cH6E8OB1gaxsFR5YUe3wfQ+BkgFANcFBPQyflS3DOetHsqBd4WQywiqR3D7vFbqN5kYIFvTwvjMFLCHJ9xGbDD/Begec9oR8S2+6B4fM6gMislmymP/foxZAysGXyg3KpqGPw7DugwvEFpkSNd2G1H/nsCDiDHqKLnsKelxEJuF0pBg==; 5:ceq0ivXaG5Y7K7ejtdRYSHlxay9c6AAOLUANZFnJcNlMgAFpJwr66oU9F6G1NWay+6fyUXim3IqUqJAVSJ3JiZGcil2nU8ozyjpnp7FePBRDKX81Cc4MXYFQ4YBoumJKaEG7oJVmsVZxPeULPuA1SrBEOaQmOG3UoYTNrWiLVedtnPTtxpmP1ohb4U9gddIPJLIQIUfznNME+XhzG2KSFA==; 7:Tk7j7iWQ1WxsKfKja/inRW/APW2V4HC0HFh8pH7mTGmPMg0+PUa7ZIGQtXk3QWl8zbQAx+giy2Mp4ULQO/sMPd1lkEsjqd56KWkoSeaLLoI3M1efuDBe4aoQsd6PaJEHyspzqcwONc6isUN2FqCK/A==
x-ms-exchange-antispam-srfa-diagnostics: SOS;
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 578e47ef-9f3b-476a-d3e3-08d6722388fc
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(4652040)(8989299)(4534185)(4627221)(201703031133081)(201702281549075)(8990200)(5600109)(711020)(2017052603328)(7153060)(7193020); SRVR:AM6PR07MB5909;
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: AM6PR07MB5909:
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <AM6PR07MB5909876E3CAC237B1131CF19938E0@AM6PR07MB5909.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(8211001083)(3230021)(908002)(999002)(5005026)(6040522)(8220060)(2401047)(8121501046)(93006095)(93001095)(3231475)(944501520)(52105112)(10201501046)(3002001)(6041310)(201703131423095)(201702281528075)(20161123555045)(201703061421075)(201703061406153)(20161123558120)(20161123560045)(20161123562045)(20161123564045)(201708071742011)(7699051)(76991095); SRVR:AM6PR07MB5909; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:AM6PR07MB5909;
x-forefront-prvs: 0907F58A24
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(376002)(136003)(396003)(366004)(39860400002)(346002)(189003)(199004)(2616005)(76176011)(446003)(6512007)(6306002)(54896002)(110136005)(236005)(58126008)(2501003)(6436002)(11346002)(476003)(229853002)(97736004)(486006)(68736007)(54906003)(14444005)(3846002)(86362001)(71190400001)(71200400001)(82746002)(256004)(606006)(2906002)(83716004)(99286004)(6116002)(33656002)(8936002)(102836004)(105586002)(81166006)(81156014)(25786009)(4326008)(26005)(5660300001)(8676002)(36756003)(186003)(53936002)(6506007)(6486002)(39060400002)(44832011)(6246003)(966005)(66066001)(14454004)(478600001)(7736002)(106356001)(316002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:AM6PR07MB5909; H:AM6PR07MB5621.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1;
received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: ericsson.com does not designate permitted sender hosts)
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: ETQr18Ptw+ThgmGEuglT7jNyR8vX8v4ZeeGANqpYq33LXjHOML7mMQTOaTmLAS3Wk0OOXRQHm++ofeZhyrL5NbQLx9u8udx7SnHpkuNQlpJMmq3MA5CS98iypFArJe0vUtPx/OhCOUUVCzpRx0G6WuLr/ERq2ZwVLbcIF4WxdX/2MakEIo2mu3MuDWHIfw9d8xkDEz5Fs8IH7rLlRZ2v86rUtCp/0057+rGwzBvoyvKQojh2EFEaxxrQ41WjV3GC4IxYfoVCXsl/bJ+xf4xDJlvb5nkQfb25w6qLgONbPi6geVMpyTGXON70yd5JzvEM
spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99
spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6154956922FC47B39B5A3312A05A204Cericssoncom_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 578e47ef-9f3b-476a-d3e3-08d6722388fc
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 04 Jan 2019 09:03:46.5405 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 92e84ceb-fbfd-47ab-be52-080c6b87953f
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM6PR07MB5909
X-OriginatorOrg: ericsson.com
X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA03Se0hTURwH8M69d7vX0eg4s34qixxBL3IaVsusDAqmZUlR9LDHzW4q2YpN 7YGUhusPh2zODDeKRVmCGZatTAuqFeWEyt5kVNu0Qq0IX8uUrW1ngf99fud8f+fF4WiZQxTL 5WsKBa2GL1CIJYxla8uRBUXxyuzEyg656sdtJ1K97RtkVLXjVbRq+E+zWNXh4tNE6lbrJ1Zd VzdKZVHbJan7hIL8YkGrXLFHkmd410IfvrLh6Oi3MrYUGTIrUAQHOBns1lIUtAw/RuD8vL4C SQIeRnDr3hBLiksUWCr7xMGCwSYaLnaOi8mMiQKz30yRwo3ghs0cWIzjxFgFBt/84LpT8RZ4 ff09HTSNLyP4aSsJOgpvhLabXYhkNsFIvZ4mToGb/rPioBk8Cyq7ytmgpXgldI+MMOSsWtA3 eEO9EXg5vDJfCxnhaeDtaKTIXtOhq8dGkXtiqLv3giaOht5unyjoaKwE18ADlvTycL/BFc7E w7Nf7nCvHF7ZDIj4FAvuj5uJF8DvmppwPhN8jrOhdwDcieCLpSzcMA/aBjws8QH4ZnezJPSS hvKvjciEEq0TDkucA3+fGBlr6NKR4LT0BMwFxudCU5uSROLhjMHNEs8B/bnzYavhjcvJTMxc QFwDitYJur0HcxcuTBC0+Tk63SFNgkYobEaBn/XQPpZ4B/V+X+VAmEOKydIpWJktE/HFumMH HQg4WjFVylOBIek+/thxQXtot7aoQNA5UBzHKKZLx2WR2TKcyxcKBwThsKD9P0txEbGlKLX9 sUd1QmmcPcWvWZo1sDr9rtfjap3Zb+ejrlSbdotmyi3Jd692L36637QkJqFenuaPyRhqUmf8 Sv8wFnetetu6wZ6a289z9FFC0k7jrjK6qrfk5OVJraIfX1rO8Pk7ppnSa2ecXuu7r8dzGv1G WX8nl7RI4nm0qN1rSVEUrVmmYHR5fNI8Wqvj/wEb32YbVQMAAA==
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gen-art/vnWOX_4u2pFnVL3t9x6lc7MqREY>
Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-push-21
X-BeenThere: gen-art@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "GEN-ART: General Area Review Team" <gen-art.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/gen-art>, <mailto:gen-art-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/gen-art/>
List-Post: <mailto:gen-art@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gen-art-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art>, <mailto:gen-art-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 09:03:58 -0000

Hi,

…

>>   Example: pn-prid = 00fc13adff78512
>>
>>   For more information about the APNs Topic and device token:
>>
>> SB> Is the following part of the example? If so it could usefully be delimited
>> SB> as such, otherwise, I don't understand why it is not a normal document
>> SB> reference.
>>
>>   https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/NetworkingI
>>   nternet/Conceptual/RemoteNotificationsPG/CommunicatingwithAPNs.html
>>
>> SB> Similarly in the following section
>>
>> The link reference is not part of the example. Perhaps I could place to reference before the examples, to make that more clear?
>>
>> Are you suggesting that I add the link to the reference section, similar to document references?

> SB> Yes, if it is just a reference, I would have expected it to be treated just like any other reference, i.e. a pointer to a reference at
> the end of the document. That method also clarifies the matter of whether the reference is normative or informational which does not happen with embedded references.

You don’t need the reference in order to understand the draft. You need the reference if you are going to implement support for a specific PNS.

But, I have no problem to add the links to the reference section. Are you aware of any examples of referencing web links?

Regards,

Christer