Re: [Gen-art] [Anima] Gen-art LC Review of? draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-13

Alissa,

"On agenda of 2018-05-24 IESG telechat" surprises me. I thought
a -14 version was the next step.

I'll repeat my opinion on the reference issue, being a co-author
of the reference model (draft-ietf-anima-reference-model). We
never expected that to be treated as a normative reference. While
it definitely provides useful background for the ACP draft, I
don't see it as being required reading for a correct implementation.

Regards
   Brian

On 19/05/2018 05:08, Alissa Cooper wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I was wondering if any response to Elwyn’s review besides Brian’s is forthcoming and if so when the authors or shepherd expect to send it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alissa
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 8:50 PM, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, trying to get through backlog. Took longer than expected...
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 01:04:53AM +0100, Elwyn Davies wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> It has been about 6 weeks since responses to the review were postponed till after IETF 101.... any thoughts yet?
>>> Regards,Elwyn
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Samsung tablet.
>>> -------- Original message --------From: Elwyn Davies <elwynd@dial.pipex.com> Date: 02/03/2018  12:04  (GMT+00:00) To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, gen-art@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane.all@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Gen-art LC Review of
>>>   draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-13 
>>> Just taking up one point for the time being....  
>>> Even if the reference model is informational, I was relying on RFC 8067, s1, para 3:
>>>    Section 2 of [RFC3967] lists some conditions under which downrefs may
>>>    make sense.  In addition to those, it has become common for working
>>>    groups to produce foundational documents (which contain important
>>>    information such as terminology definitions and architectural design
>>>    and considerations) at Informational status, and those documents are
>>>    often needed as normative references in the Standards Track protocol
>>>    documents that follow. 
>>> I would say that sombody implementing ACP really needs to have read and understood the reference model and so I would argue:1. That it needs to be normative,and2. The downref is sanctioned by the language in RFC 8067. 
>>> I am on holiday for a week and others are fighting the draft deadline so perhaps we can postpone discussion of the other points until the draft panic has subsided.
>>> Cheers,Elwyn
>>> Sent from Samsung tablet.
>>
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