Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for draft-thomson-gendispatch-rfc-derivatives-00.txt
Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> Fri, 29 September 2023 13:22 UTC
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From: Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for draft-thomson-gendispatch-rfc-derivatives-00.txt
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Hi Eric, On 29.09.2023 15:11, Eric Rescorla wrote: > Well, I'm no longer at Mozilla, but seeing as you mention Firefox, I > can tell you that when I was this scenario wasn't anywhere near the > top of my concerns around European regulation. Rather, it was > ill-advised requirements in the name of security (e.g. QWACs). In > fact, while I had concerns about CRA, it was not about standards > forking but rather about the security disclosure and process > requirements > (https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2023/07/13/european-parliaments-version-of-the-cra-threatens-cybersecurity-and-open-source-development/) And it *shouldn't* be a concern, so long as we maintain control of our works. You are proposing to release control of our works. > > If another jurisdiction replicates Europe's model and then > diverges, we have can end up in one of two scenarios- one bad and > the other worse: > > * Bad: different code points, but a local requirement to use a > particular standard; meaning no common algorithm selection. > * Worse: same code point but different meaning. > > We can and have seriously limited both of these threats through > our copyrights. If we give up on that we are asking for chaos. > > I don't find this at all persuasive. ETSI is perfectly capable of > writing their own versions of specifications when they choose to, or, > alternately providing diffs against ours (again, see QWACs), and with > any code points they choose. If the only thing preventing this is > copyright, then that's not going to do much > Ok, let's agree to disagree. Eliot
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… John Scudder
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Martin Vigoureux
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] [Ext] Re: New Version Notificat… David Huberman
- Re: [Gendispatch] [Ext] Re: New Version Notificat… Brian E Carpenter