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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 17 July 2023 05:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for draft-ecahc-moderation-00.txt
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On 17-Jul-23 13:42, Eric Rescorla wrote:
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> On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 6:35 PM Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net <mailto:mnot@mnot.net>> wrote:
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>      > On 17 Jul 2023, at 8:19 am, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com <mailto:ekr@rtfm.com>> wrote:
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>      >> 24x7 responsiveness. I think that’s probably something that comes from the types of ietf@ietf.org <mailto:ietf@ietf.org> mailing list and others with similar characteristics. I don’t think a typical WG mailing list has that need.
>      >
>      > This is my sense as well.
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>     Consider a problematic participant located in North America, a chair based in Australia, and a moderator based in Europe.
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>     Problematic participant does something... problematic at the start of their day. Because chair is sleeping and has a job when they wake up, they can't get to noticing/handling the problem until their lunchtime, 10-12 hours later. Chair notifies moderator, but they are asleep, and don't reply asking for a clarification until their midday, 9-10 hours later. Chair is asleep by then, so doesn't respond until 10-12 hours later, whereupon moderator (finally) contacts problematic person, who has now had two clear days to run amok in the WG.
> 
>     I don't think that's acceptable. We need moderators who can have near-real-time discussions with participants and chairs; otherwise, problematic behaviour won't be responded to promptly.
> 
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> I don't feel strongly on this point, so if others think that it's worthwhile having 24x7 that's fine by me.

It doesn't need to be literally 24x7 but if we can cover most major time zones most of the time, we'd be in good shape.

Personally I quite like the fact that I can wake up and review an entire flame war with my second cup of coffee, beause it all happened overnight.

> With that said, it seems like we could probably also address this by having the chairs continue to have their existing powers that they use in cases like this.

Yes.

     Brian

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