Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-01.txt
S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Tue, 16 November 2021 04:47 UTC
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 20:43:32 -0800
To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, gendispatch@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-01.txt
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Hi Toreless, At 08:55 PM 13-11-2021, Toerless Eckert wrote: >To repeat here on the list what i said during the WG meeting: > >I do not recommend for this document to be dispatched until it is >clearer written down agreed to, what actually the goal is. And i see >two potentially > even conflicting possible goals: > >a) To put into writing sufficient 'Cover My Behind' statements to protect >the IETF from legal action in case participants partake in anti-trust >behavior. This is not mentioned as a goal in the draft, but i have the >strong believ that this must have played a role on writing this document. >And i do support such a document, but it should explicitly state that >purpose. > >b) A document that is really intended to help participants to understand >how to not get into anti-trust law issues. This is what the document claims >it wants to achieve, but quite frankly i do not even understand the most >basic connection between this goal and being an "IETF participant". I don't know what happened in the meeting. I'll comment on the above. The first goal is something internal to the LLC. The LLC was not expected to influence the Standards Process. However, it would be doing that through this draft. I agree that the draft does not help to understand the anti-trust issues. It is a bit like signing a document without understanding its potential consequences. Regards, S. Moonesamy
- [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-gend… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Joel Halpern Direct
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Lloyd W
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Tony Rutkowski
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Jay Daley
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Jay Daley
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Jay Daley
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Brad Biddle
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Tony Rutkowski
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Tony Rutkowski
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Tony Rutkowski
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendi… Tony Rutkowski