Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-02.txt

> On 8/12/2021, at 3:40 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I liked the positioning of the previous version, because it was
> informative, but I disliked the fact that it was intended to be
> a BCP for no good reason. I certainly had several issues with the
> informative text that has now disappeared, but those all seemed
> to be fixable.
> 
> I dislike this version because it is less informative, and
> because it is *really* pointless to tell people that they have
> to obey the law, especially if you don't help them to understand
> what the law might be. For most IETF participants, this will just
> be a click-through item, whereas they could read the previous
> draft and learn something.

The discussion in the gendispatch session at IETF 112 appeared to us authors to come to a clear-ish view - there should be two parts to this, the minimalist policy and the more effusive educational piece, with the majority appearing to be of the view that the latter should not be an RFC.  Does that work for you?

> 
> Is there a legal theory that this document saying "thou shalt
> obey the law" protects the IETF itself? If so, that might be
> a reason for proceeding. Otherwise, I'm not sure what value
> it has.

Yes, it’s the common-sense theory - 

Prosecuting regulator: “Were you clear with IETF participants that the services, which you pay contractors to provide and are therefore legally liable for, should not be used to break the law?”

Jay

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> 
> Regards
>   Brian Carpenter
> 
>> On 08-Dec-21 03:10, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
>> After teh discussion at the IETF meeting, and after further discussion
>> of the legal aspects, we have made a major revision to the document.  It
>> is shorter, and more direct.
>> I presume some folks will dislike it even more, and some folks will find
>> that it addresses their concerns.  Please speak up, so that we can
>> decide if this time the chairs may be able to dispatch the draft.
>> Thank you,
>> Joel (and Jay  and Brad)
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-02.txt
>> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2021 06:01:52 -0800
>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
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>> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>>          Title           : Antitrust Guidelines for IETF Particiants
>>          Authors         : Joel M. Halpern
>>                            Brad Biddle
>>                            Jay Daley
>>    Filename        : draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-02.txt
>>    Pages           : 6
>>    Date            : 2021-12-07
>> Abstract:
>>     This document specifies policy for IETF participants on compliance
>>     with antitrust laws and how to reduce antitrust risks in connection
>>     with IETF activities.
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust/
>> There is also an HTML version available at:
>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-02.html
>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-02
>> Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at
>> rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts
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