From: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
To: "gendispatch@ietf.org" <gendispatch@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: Archival Dysfunction (was: Re: New Version Notification for
 draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-00.txt)
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Gentlefolk,

Let me try to summarize the conversation to date.

We have some non-foundational but useful information. A few of these topics=
 have been mentioned on this thread.  We could publish these as RFCs, but w=
e are reluctant to do so. Possible reasons for this reluctance are:


  *
The RFC Series will grow too large
  *
The effort required to publish an RFC is too great
  *
The RFC series is reserved for foundational works

All of these might be valid objections. Maybe a wiki would be helpful?

 But sadly, we can't establish a wiki because we cannot establish procedure=
s for its moderation and maintenance. Something in our collective DNA preve=
nts us from doing this.

So we are left with the following options:


  *
Publish non-foundational information in the RFC series (a suboptimal soluti=
on)
  *
Discard non-foundational information (a worse solution)

                                                                           =
               Ron








Juniper Business Use Only

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Gentlefolk,</div>
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Let me try to summarize the conversation to date.</div>
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We have some non-foundational but useful information. A few of these topics=
 have been mentioned on this thread.&nbsp; We could publish these as RFCs, =
but we are reluctant to do so. Possible reasons for this reluctance are:</d=
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<div class=3D"elementToProof">The RFC Series will grow too large</div>
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All of these might be valid objections. Maybe a wiki would be helpful?</div=
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&nbsp;But sadly, we can't establish a wiki because we cannot establish proc=
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prevents us from doing this.</div>
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So we are left with the following options:</div>
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