[Gendispatch] Re: wiki was Re: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.txt
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Hiya, On 24/08/2025 21:27, Salz, Rich didn't quite quote Lloyd well: >> The current 'raise on issue about a draft on the mailing list - >> we've listed your issue in github to kill this criticism - silence >> everafter' isn't really working, is it? > > I don’t see that happening at all in the groups whereI participate. I do think there is an issue (t)here. Githubbery works well for some but not all IETF participants and for some but not all repos (better for repos where active participants have similar activity levels and timezones). And of course IETF participants are subtle people and so can take advantage of any process setup to minimise disruption or to sideline unwanted commentary. I'm not sure what could be done about that, but, I guess recognising the problem is some kind of starting point. Cheers, S.
- [Gendispatch] FW: New Version Notification for dr… Adrian Farrel
- [Gendispatch] Re: FW: New Version Notification fo… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Gendispatch] Re: wiki was Re: New Version Notifi… lloyd.wood
- [Gendispatch] Re: wiki was Re: New Version Notifi… Karim Attoumani Mohamed
- [Gendispatch] Re: wiki was Re: New Version Notifi… Salz, Rich
- [Gendispatch] Re: wiki was Re: New Version Notifi… Stephen Farrell