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Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-01.txt

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Thu, 18 November 2021 20:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-01.txt
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Hi John,
At 09:41 AM 16-11-2021, John Levine wrote:
>It's not just the LLC.  If we got into antitrust legal trouble the results
>might include fines, which would be the LLC's problem, but also
>restrictions on the way we operate which would be the entire IETF's problem.

The decision in 2018 was set the scope the of the LLC effort to 
matters related to the 4071 IASA only.  It does not make sense to 
come and change that a few years later unless there is, for example, 
some potential legal trouble which was not foreseen at that time.

I agree with the point you made about a LLC's problem becoming an 
IETF's problem.  The "dispatch" approach is not well-suited for this 
type of problem.  Furthermore, there was a concern about EAR.  The 
topic keeps coming back.  It is not a good idea to push the topic 
aside without giving any thought to it.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy

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