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To: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
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" - Summaries oversimplify, and grow outdated. 
- Bright line dos/don’ts miss important nuance.
- Mechanical recitals become ‘white noise.’ "

I am very much in agreement with this.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-00

says

"   participants should not discuss the following topics:
[..]
*  employee compensation or benefits"


IETF engineers can't discuss employee compensation or benefits?

Frankly, from an engineer perspective, that sounds not so much anti-trust, as anti-union.

Lloyd Wood 
lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk






On Monday, 6 September 2021, 04:10:04 GMT+10, Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> wrote: 





On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 10:51 AM Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote:
> The point of the exercise from my perspective is to give people 
> community agreed advice on how to avoid antitrust issues.  This helps 
> protect everyone.

Well, I guess the counterpoint is that section "5. Recommended Behavior" suffers from all of the issues outlined in that 2020 IETF LLC statement.* The IETF LLC had the same counsel at the time, btw. 

- Summaries oversimplify, and grow outdated. 
- Bright line dos/don’ts miss important nuance.
- Mechanical recitals become ‘white noise.’ 

By refraining from guiding behavior around a 6 point bulleted list, my edits make it clear that such summaries do little to "protect" participants or the IETF. I mean, it seems like I'm the only person that has ever read the existing slides thoroughly enough to notice that they are buggy.

There are plenty of other sections in the draft that seem fine, and I have no objection to the draft appearing linked from the "Note Well" page in general.

thanks,
Rob

* https://www.ietf.org/blog/ietf-llc-statement-competition-law-issues/
 

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