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On 29.09.23 08:22, Mark Nottingham wrote:
I'm not sure what point you're making here. Are you saying that the reput=
ation and name of the IETF is being devalued thanks to changes in the reg=
ulatory environment?

I wouldn't have put it that way, but in effect that's where things are going.=C2=A0 The CRA is going to require security standa= rds to be set through European standards organizations.=C2=A0 No= w of course those organizations can incorporate IETF work by reference, as they do today.=C2=A0 But there is a likelihood that standards that have no copyright will be modified in that framework.=C2=A0 And if ETSI is going to allow for that, the ITU wi= ll not be left behind, because they've tried it before.=C2=A0 And ther= e are people who participate in the latter and in ISO would would just assume the IETF didn't exist.

Eliot

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