Re: [Gendispatch] revised

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Wed, 31 March 2021 20:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] revised
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On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 07:23:57PM +0000, STARK, BARBARA H wrote:
> > The IETF's volunteer nature, with no gatekeepers, means that the IETF
> > can neither be the cause of nor the solution to lack of diversity of any
> > kind.  Though perhaps in order for the IETF to join our brave new
> > age-of-the-hyper-ostrakon, we must have gatekeepers (who hopefully will
> > only ever discriminate on the basis of approved criteria).
> 
> The IETF does have gatekeepers. It has Chairs and others who should
> inform people when they do not abide by the IETF Guidelines for
> Conduct [RFC 7154] and also provides for people to be removed from
> lists who cannot behave according to these guidelines.

I don't call that gatekeeping.  We have bouncers, like bars and clubs,
to kick out people who misbehave, but we don't keep people out because
they're not attractive enough.  We can argue over what's a good term for
that function if you really think "gatekeeping" means something else,
but surely we all agree that the IETF does not vet new participants.

Nico
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