[Gendispatch] Re: wiki was Re: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.txt

[Karim Attoumani Mohamed <[e-mail]>]

+1
Tools should not be a barrier for participation.
We have many policy makers with valuables inputs but could not contribute
via github.
Inclusion and involvement start with how easy we can communicate together.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-attoumani-ietf-inclusion/03/

BR
Karim


Le dim. 24 août 2025 à 10:06, <lloyd.wood=[e-mail]> a
écrit :

> It is my belief is that the IETF should be using wiki technology
> extensively, including in draft development.
>
> The current 'raise on issue about a draft on the mailing list - we've
> listed your issue in github to kill this criticism - silence everafter'
> isn't really working, is it?
>
> editing and discussion in a wiki with appropriate templates might bridge
> the separation between mailing list and github, while also lowering the bar
> to participation for new contributors.
>
>
> Lloyd Wood
> [e-mail]
>
>
> On Thursday, July 24, 2025, 00:44, Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton=
> [e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Hi Adrian,
>
> Annoyingly for you, I’m not going to directly answer your question
> (because I don’t know the answer), but wanted to say:
>
>    - I’m a strong proponent of documenting more operational practice on
>    wiki pages, if they can be put somewhere sensible, and have owners who keep
>    them up to date.  This is because I believe that having a large set of BCP
>    process documents does not make a good/easy end user interface for the
>    consumers of this material (i.e., authors & IETF participants).
>    - I think that there is some useful information in this document, and
>    getting it published somewhere would probably be helpful to the wider
>    community.
>
>
>
> Hence, my suggestion:
>
> (i)                  go straight to a 4-week IETF last call of the doc
> (if you can find a willing AD)
>
> (ii)                publish the agreed resultant text on wiki page.
>
> (iii)               Or maybe publish on a WIP wiki page, and then last
> call a 1-page doc containing a link to the wiki page content, and review
> and achieve consensus on the content on the wiki.
>
>
>
> I’m sure that some folks may be appalled at my suggestions of just
> ignoring the IETF process and dispatch outcomes, but shrug, you’re welcome.
> :-)
>
> Kind regards,
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 23 July 2025 at 09:12
> *To: *[e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> *Subject: *[Gendispatch] FW: New Version Notification for
> draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.txt
>
> Hi GenDispatch,
>
> It's been a while since this work was "dispatched" to a new mailing list
> with the long-term dispatch outcome of "AD sponsored RFC or a wiki".
>
> Over the months that followed, we have revised the draft a number of times
> following reviews and discussions on [e-mail], and we
> have picked up some extra material (especially wrt Operational
> Considerations).
>
> At this point, with what the authors consider to be a complete document,
> we'd like to come back to the dispatch outcomes and ask whether this group
> has further advice on "wiki or RFC". We can then bully the responsible AD
> to do something.
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Sent: 22 July 2025 22:01
> To: Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]>; Ron Bonica <[e-mail]>
> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.txt
>
> A new version of Internet-Draft draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.txt has
> been
> successfully submitted by Adrian Farrel and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>
> Name:     draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp
> Revision: 06
> Title:    IETF Experiments
> Date:     2025-07-22
> Group:    Individual Submission
> Pages:    10
> URL:
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.txt
> Status:   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp/
> HTML:
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.html
> HTMLized:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp
> Diff:
> https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06
>
> Abstract:
>
>    This document describes IETF protocol experiments and provides
>    guidelines for the publication of Experimental RFCs.
>
>
>
> The IETF Secretariat
>
>
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