Re: [Gendispatch] [Ext] Re: New Version Notification for draft-thomson-gendispatch-rfc-derivatives-00.txt

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

David,
On 02-Oct-23 04:21, David Huberman wrote:
> Mark Nottingham wrote:
> 
>> Yes, there are powers in the world other than the IAB and IESG (thankfully). They are often used wisely; sometimes, they are not.
>> Interestingly, none of them can yet affect the _entire_ Internet.
> 
> The European Commission just closed a feedback period for the question of whether the EU's standardization policy (Regulation 1025/2012) should be updated. Though Internet standards are not the focus of this Regulation, it is plausible that this Regulation may be used in the future to require that future Internet standards development that conforms to European values should occur outside of the IETF. As evidenced with ETSI's work on QWACs (which ekr referenced earlier in this thread), the standards that do get sometimes developed outside the IETF could have significant effects on "the entire internet" when a body like the European Commission tries to legally require their adoption (in this case, by the browser vendors in the draft eIDAS 2.0 regulation.)

There's really nothing new in this type of concern. Once upon a time the EC's policy was that all networks would be OSI networks, specifically using Connection-Oriented Network Service (i.e. X.25) and a host of other ISO/ITU approved protocols. The Internet decided otherwise, and the EC recognised reality after a few years.

Concern about trans-border data flows goes back to the 1970s - as does concern about walled gardens - but that really doesn't much affect the IETF's area of action. There are certainly regulatory aspects that considerably affect browsers and distributed applications, but they have rather minor effects, if any, on the IETF's target areas. (To be clear, IETF *operations* have to consider GDPR etc., but not most of our protocol designs or operational recommendations.)
  
> I work for ICANN these days. For this feedback period, we submitted feedback warning the Commission that a European walled garden could have grave consequences for interoperability. Our submission focuses on the benefits of working within the IETF framework.

Thanks for that. As would have any feedback from the IAB, I suppose, but they do not appear to be among the 90 submitters.

    Brian

> 
> The collection of feedback is found at:
> 	https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13446-European-standardisation-evaluation_en
> 
> ICANN's submission is found at:
> 	https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13446-European-standardisation-evaluation/F3437219_en
> 
> /david
>