Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com> Fri, 26 February 2021 10:31 UTC

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:30:36 +1100
From: "Bron Gondwana" <brong@fastmailteam.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF
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My experience is that a significant fraction of the discussion happens in hallways and bars, some of which I have been at, some not.

The final decisions have always been made on the mailing list though.

Bron

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, at 15:29, Fernando Gont wrote:
> Hi, Rich,
> 
> On 25/2/21 20:49, Salz, Rich wrote:
> >> When you're changing the way of contributing, you're not
> >> universally
> > "reducing the barrier". -- certainly not for somebody that does't do
> > git.
> > 
> > The IETF has not changed the way people contribute.  Drafts are still
> > posted to the datatracker, mailing lists still exist for feedback and
> > comment (and must be used for confirming consensus, etc).  Just
> > because there are more paths into the datatracker now.  I mean,
> > probably around 1985-1995 we all just FTP'd the documents we wanted
> > to read.  Is anyone going to argue that it's not easier now?
> 
> Based on some comments it seems that in some cases a significant 
> fraction of the discussion moved to github. Hence my question.
> In such a case, participants are kind of required to participate in github.
> 
> I didn't participate much (if at all) in the recommendations regarding 
> the use of github in the ietf. And my assumtion was that for the most 
> part it was more of a "use it if deemed useful", but was assuming the 
> discussions that would lead to changes to remain in the mailing-lists.
> 
> 
> > 
> >> Point taken. So... mailing list are seen as a problematic mechanism
> >> to
> > carry our work?
> > 
> > For some people I think the answer is yes.  It seems that overall use
> > of email is declining, but it's hard to get real numbers without
> > getting tangled up in email marketing newsletter business.  But I
> > feel like you keep trying to have me make blanket assertions and I
> > don't want to do that.
> 
> No, no. It was a honest question. Me I wasn't aware about some of the 
> assumptions that were mentioned in the thread... hence my questions.
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
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> SI6 Networks
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