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From: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
To: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
CC: Pete Resnick <resnick=40episteme.net@dmarc.ietf.org>, GENDISPATCH List <gendispatch@ietf.org>, Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch>
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>https:/www.ietf.org/blog/ietf-llc-statement-competition-law-issues
> That post was published just a year ago, and I sincerely doubt it was published without being reviewed by a lawyer.

[JL] It definitely was reviewed by counsel.

> I think the implications of many messages are that "we're skating on thin ice", a question to be left to the lawyers, for sure. But, I'll note that it hasn't mattered for many, many years. 15? 20? I think I subscribed in 2005 or so. Maybe the ice isn't that thin. Or, something major has changed, and no one has explained what that is.

[JL] Please see Section 5 of the LLC's 12 August 2021 meeting minutes at https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/2021-08-12-llc-board-minutes.pdf. We had counsel on the call as well for that discussion. My impression is that the external legal environment continues to evolve and that companies that current participate in the IETF may face barriers to continuing to do so in the future, absent a more concrete anti-trust document.

- Jason

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