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Fri, 29 Sep 2023 02:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.100.2.1.4\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <6d322942-fba4-489d-b3bb-802ff06e87bf@lear.ch> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 16:22:48 +1000 Cc: Martin Thomson , gendispatch@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9FD5A234-40B5-46C8-8A6E-881C2C075FD0@mnot.net> References: <169587871859.41935.17692726615817157868@ietfa.amsl.com> <3c7a5635-6a18-445e-9483-22ebfe31e1d5@betaapp.fastmail.com> <17e3ec59-7568-4636-09f2-f4be9cf0f0d5@joelhalpern.com> <17154a5c-1483-9509-4fe2-bf8aba82f2e8@joelhalpern.com> <5f6b1c1e-9054-61d0-a5ea-4a205c1eeecf@gmail.com> <0050d192-e799-4342-978c-208901a03fef@betaapp.fastmail.com> <6d322942-fba4-489d-b3bb-802ff06e87bf@lear.ch> To: Eliot Lear X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.100.2.1.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for draft-thomson-gendispatch-rfc-derivatives-00.txt X-BeenThere: gendispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: General Area Dispatch List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 06:23:01 -0000 > On 29 Sep 2023, at 4:14=E2=80=AFpm, Eliot Lear wrote: >=20 >> A fork of a protocol that uses the same codepoints and different = protocol definition (i.e., the RFC 5704 problem) has a defense, which is = the same one that was used at the time. The best defense against that is = not the application of copyright law, but the reputation and good name = of the IETF. >=20 > While that might have worked in the past, it won't work in the future. = The regulatory environment is changing. The only way to defend against = it will be through copyright, because that is the only dragon that = governments are not willing to slay right now. I'm not sure what point you're making here. Are you saying that the = reputation and name of the IETF is being devalued thanks to changes in = the regulatory environment? -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/