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Re: [Gendispatch] another possibly problematic word

Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org> Wed, 09 September 2020 21:29 UTC

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From: Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 17:29:02 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] another possibly problematic word
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As someone who is nonetheless sympathetic to your implication about the
practicality of word policing, I think we could use less sarcasm/snark on
IETF mailing lists in general. Let's not have a repeat of the ietf list
thread.

Kyle

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 4:12 PM Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org> wrote:

>
>   Well I was looking at some Android code the other day and came across
> the following:
>
>   "native int functionName();"
>
> This is highly problematic. I believe "indigenous" would be much preferred
> but I don't know how to go about addressing this egregious offense.
>
>   Dan.
>
> On 9/8/20 4:38 AM, Salz, Rich wrote:
>
> This was news to me.  FYI
>
>
>
> *From: *"Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
>
> …
>
> A separate issue that we may want to consider relates to use of the
> word/term “nonce”.  In British English this term is slang for a paedophile,
> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/nonce
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dictionary.cambridge.org_dictionary_english_nonce&d=DwMGaQ&c=96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&r=4LM0GbR0h9Fvx86FtsKI-w&m=h3vPGHnErcFST8UylIdbLohcl4jQGcLXlgr6I_5jpwk&s=4NlmGbVCeTGF1CWzghVwoa1yDT9sIiWHbnji9xdIlzE&e=>
>
>
>
> I’m not saying that we should necessarily change this, but we might want
> to consider whether there is an alternative equivalent term that could be
> used instead.
>
> …
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