Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-00.txt

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 04 September 2021 02:20 UTC

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To: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>, "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-00.txt
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Rob,

> If so, maybe the lawyers should write the draft.

Brad Biddle is a co-author.

Regards
   Brian

On 04-Sep-21 13:04, Rob Sayre wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 5:09 PM Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com <mailto:jmh@joelhalpern.com>> wrote:
> 
>     We wrote this as guidelines, not rules, because there are always some
>     edge cases.
> 
>     But that list (which you quote below) is I think the list almost every
>     lawyer I have talked to about this gave me to start with.
> 
> 
> Are you saying lawyers told you such a "guideline" in an IETF BCP would 
be legally helpful to IETF participants? If so, maybe the lawyers should write the draft.
> 
> In the past, as you write below, I think the advice has recommended "talking to your own lawyer".
>  
> 
>       If you are
>     talking about any of those things, you need to be VERY careful.  
Which
>     is also why we suggest talking to your own lawyer if you are going to
>     venture into those spaces.
> 
> 
> This kind of thing has been discussed many times before. Here's an old one:
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/antitrust-policy/GLvb1NlwrixB9CupSncPBmVa4ho/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/antitrust-policy/GLvb1NlwrixB9CupSncPBmVa4ho/>
> 
> What has changed, and why should this be a BCP? Just trying to understand why this change is happening now.
> 
> thanks,
> Rob
> 
>