Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-03.txt

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Sun, 23 October 2022 21:41 UTC

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From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 08:41:06 +1100
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-03.txt
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Stephen,

> On 24 Oct 2022, at 4:04 am, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
> 
> The concept of a red-flag as per this draft is a bad
> idea. It is true some topics are problematic in terms
> of competition law for some people, but that just does
> not imply those same topics are problematic for all
> participants.

As the draft states, part of the purpose here is to establish defences for the IETF as a venue. Establishing a policy is a big part of that, and by necessity the policy has to apply to everyone equally. 

Cheers,


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