[Gendispatch] Appealing a non-decision [Possible topic: WG adoption of drafts]

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 22 May 2020 20:22 UTC

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Subject: [Gendispatch] Appealing a non-decision [Possible topic: WG adoption of drafts]
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On 22-May-20 21:56, Fernando Gont wrote:
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>> And my understanding is that we can appeal almost anything using the 
>> procedures in RFC 2026, if that's what you're referring to. 
> 
> I guess you can. But how would you e.g. Appeal a non-decision?

I believe that the very first appeal ever was an appeal against
non-action by the IESG. The record seems to be mixed up with a second
appeal by somebody else:
https://www.iab.org/appeals/1995-2/appeal-against-iesg-inaction-by-mr-dave-cocker-mr-w-simpson-appeal-iab-response-february-1995/

2026 actually says that it
"specifies the procedures that shall be followed to deal with
 Internet standards issues that cannot be resolved through the normal
 processes whereby IETF Working Groups and other Internet Standards
 Process participants ordinarily reach consensus."

Not reaching a decision seems like an Internet standards issue to me.

Regards
     Brian