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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 04 September 2021 23:27 UTC

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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-00.txt
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On 05-Sep-21 10:35, Rob Sayre wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 1:35 PM Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     I don't recall that BOF, but in any case the conclusion stated below doesn't exclude what is now proposes: a BCP available to those who choose to read it.
> 
> 
> I don't remember that BoF either, but its outcome seems reasonable. That said, the post is only about a year old (July 2020).
> https://www.ietf.org/blog/ietf-llc-statement-competition-law-issues/ <https://www.ietf.org/blog/ietf-llc-statement-competition-law-issues/> 
> 
> I thought the proposed BCP seemed destined for this page:
> https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ <https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/>

Not necessarily. The lawyers can tell us, but it seems to me that the
warnings on the Note Well are there to protect the IETF itself, whereas
this document is more aimed at warning participants to protect themselves.
If so, it doesn't necessarily need to be a BCP. If indeed it's considered
necessary to protect the IETF itself, the whole discussion changes tone.

By the way, I recommend reading Jorge Contreras's slides cited in the LLC's
statement.

   Brian

> 
> In which case, the conclusion definitely does exclude it.

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