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From: Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch>
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 24.09.2024 15:23, Eric Rescorla
      wrote:<br>
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        <div>It would not address mine. I think we should keep a bright
          line here and that means not have the staff involved in
          writing the documents at all.</div>
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    <p>Can you say why?=C2=A0 What is the risk when the task is to docume=
nt
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      VERY large exercise, and I worry that we don't have the community
      resources to do a good job.=C2=A0 My worries could be misplaced, of=

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