Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts are IETF stakeholders
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts are IETF stakeholders
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Hiya, I just read the draft and recalling the discussion at IETF-116 I fear that a message that I heard being sent from the mic line perhaps hasn't landed. In particular, I think a number of people said that the best way to ensure your favourite policy topics are considered in IETF work is to have someone who is playing a full and constructive part in that IETF work be familiar with your favourite policy issues. Liaising, co-ordinating and setting up new bodies will be nowhere near as effective. Yes, that's expensive (in time), but so is being involved in IETF work, so that seems fair to me fwiw. Cheers, S. On 13/06/2023 16:31, Stacie Hoffmann wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Many thanks to those of you who provided feedback to us on the Policy > Experts are IETF Stakeholders draft at the 116 Gen Dispatch meeting. > > We have uploaded a new version (see below), which we are preparing for the > 117 meeting and welcome further input or ideas on how to refine our problem > statement or scope potential solutions. In particular, we would welcome > specific examples of how and where policy input is working well, and > thoughts on a ‘landing space’ or next steps for this work. > > Please reach out to the authors directly with comments or suggestions. > > Also, if anyone is interested in reviewing or contributing to this document > please let us know. It would be great to work with others on this. > > Best, > > Stacie > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org> > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2023 at 10:42 > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders-01.txt > To: Marek Blachut <marek.blachut@dcms.gov.uk>, Stacie Hoffmann < > stacie.hoffmann@dcms.gov.uk> > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders-01.txt > has been successfully submitted by Marek Blachut and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders > Revision: 01 > Title: Policy experts are IETF stakeholders > Document date: 2023-06-13 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 11 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders-01.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders/ > Html: > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders-01.html > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders > Diff: > https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders-01 > > Abstract: > The IETF’s work has significance for wider societal, economic, and > political communities, though gaps and barriers to engagement with > the IETF exist for policy experts. This informational draft > introduces a problem statement and gap analysis of existing > initiatives related to policy expert engagement in the IETF. It also > poses questions we hope to work through with others in the IETF > community regarding how to better enable policy expert engagement in > IETF standardisation, and on how we can build a culture which better > supports technical and policy experts working together to develop > more robust standards. > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > >
- [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts are I… Stacie Hoffmann
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Stacie Hoffmann
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Bob Hinden
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… John R Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Colin Perkins
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Jay Daley
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Eric Rescorla
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- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Stacie Hoffmann
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Andrew Alston
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Andrew Alston
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Tony Rutkowski
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Andrew Alston
- [Gendispatch] Diversity and the IETF Andrew Campling
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Tony Rutkowski
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and the IETF Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts a… Stacie Hoffmann