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From: Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org>
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2025 09:30:45 -0400
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 9:07=E2=80=AFAM Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> w=
rote:

> As was discussed in the past, I believe this misses the point of the
> minutes.  I do not object to having the recordings and transcripts.  But
> those do not highlight the decisions and action points, which is the
> primary purpose of the minutes.


While I and many others agree with you on this point, the last discussion
on the topic of how best to take minutes demonstrated clearly that there is
not consensus on this point.

So given that some people really want a discussion transcript, an AI
transcript is *at least* a useful tool to those so interested. A corrected
transcript can then be fed back into the LLM to produce its summary of any
decisions reached, another thing that is *at least* a useful tool to
someone trying to compile such a list. These are tasks that LLMs are
actually pretty good at, and we should take advantage of them, both to
improve the output and to avoid the "Bueller?" problem of begging for
minute takers at the start of each session.

Anything that reduces toil is a good thing, IMO. Let's not let the perfect
be the enemy of the good here.

Kyle

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 9:07=E2=80=AFAM Joel H=
alpern &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jmh@joelhalpern.com">jmh@joelhalpern.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">As was=
 discussed in the past, I believe this misses the point of the <br>
minutes.=C2=A0 I do not object to having the recordings and transcripts.=C2=
=A0 But <br>
those do not highlight the decisions and action points, which is the <br>
primary purpose of the minutes<span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-s=
ize:small">.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-size:small">While I and many others agree with you on =
this point, the last discussion on the topic of how best to take minutes de=
monstrated clearly that there is not consensus on this point.</span></div><=
div><span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></span></di=
v><div><span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">So given tha=
t some people really want a discussion transcript, an AI transcript is *at =
least* a useful tool to those so interested. A corrected transcript can the=
n be fed back into the LLM to produce its summary of any decisions reached,=
 another thing that is *at least* a useful tool to someone trying to compil=
e such a list. These are tasks that LLMs are actually pretty good at, and w=
e should take advantage of them, both to improve the output and to avoid th=
e &quot;Bueller?&quot; problem of begging for minute takers at the start of=
 each session.</span></div><div><span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-size:small">Anything that reduces toil is a good thing, IMO. Let&#39;s =
not let the perfect be the enemy of the good here.</span></div><div><span c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><spa=
n class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Kyle</span></div><div><=
span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></span></div></d=
iv></div>

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