Re: [Gendispatch] Sponsored or Endorsed by the Internet Society in draft-eggert-bcp45bis

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 30 September 2021 02:32 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Sponsored or Endorsed by the Internet Society in draft-eggert-bcp45bis
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On 30-Sep-21 14:35, Jay Daley wrote:
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>> On 30/09/2021, at 2:13 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> On 30-Sep-21 13:53, Jay Daley wrote:
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>>>> On 29/09/2021, at 11:56 PM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Both RFC3005 and draft-eggert-bcp45bis have text on conferences/ events/activities that are sponsored or endorsed by the Internet Society or IETF. The SAA team is looking for suggestions if it is okay to remove Internet Society; as it is difficult to judge if something is ISOC sponsored/endorsed [1]. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> An alternative is to qualify who can send them, such that:
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>>>> Announcements of conferences, events, or activities that are sponsored or endorsed by the Internet Society or IETF.
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>>> becomes two bullets:
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>>>> Announcements from Internet Society employees or board members, regarding conferences, events, or activities that are sponsored or endorsed by the Internet Society
>>>> Announcements from the IESG, IAB, IETF LLC, IETF Trust and IETF Secretariat, regarding conferences, events, or activities that are sponsored or endorsed by the IETF.
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>> That goes too far. People legitimately announce side meetings, sometimes even design team meetings, that are of interest to the community but are not formally "sponsored or endorsed". 
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> Those are not permitted by the current rules in RFC 3005.  My text 
doesn’t restrict permitted subjects any further than it already is.

I've never read that phrase in 3005 to apply to such discussions, but to commercial endeavours.

   Brian


> 
> Jay
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>> These days, such meetings are no longer limited to the "side" of a face to face meeting, so could come any time, and ietf@ is really the only list we have for that. In any case, the SAAs already have discretion if someone oversteps.
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>> Take this legislation too far and the only option will be alt.ietf (for all I know, that already exists).
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>>   Brian
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>>> Jay
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>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Dhruv    
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>>>> [1] https://www.internetsociety.org/events/ <https://www.internetsociety.org/events/>
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>>>> PR -> https://github.com/larseggert/bcp45bis/pull/9 <https://github.com/larseggert/bcp45bis/pull/9>
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