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Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts are IETF stakeholders

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Mon, 10 July 2023 15:11 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 08:11:37 -0700
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To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts are IETF stakeholders
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On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 11:20 PM Andrew Alston <
Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com> wrote:

> Rob,
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> Speaking wearing no hats.
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> I personally find the last sentence of your email below to be contrary to
> the very ethos of the IETF.  The IETF creates global standards, that have a
> global impact, and irrespective of where individuals come from, their
> voices should be given equal weight in our discussions.  I do have concerns
> personally about singling out policymakers over any other individual or
> class of individuals since people at the IETF are meant to participate as
> individuals with no one given more weight than anyone else.  However, these
> concerns with this document have nothing to do with geographic location and
> where they are from [...]
>

Well, I agree with all of that, and I think that was my point. When we say
"policy", we are talking about "governments and laws". The problem with
this draft is that it assumes which governments will be listened to. I
could pick some incredibly controversial examples here, but I will not.

So, this is not nationalism, but quite the opposite. As others have pointed
out, anyone can participate in the IETF.

thanks,
Rob

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